Yeah that gets it done.

Just saw its 25 1st and not FLA. maybe not enough anymore

No. If you are going to trade for Dubois, it will have to be a package that is better than the draft pick compensation they'd receive if they didn't match an offer-sheet. This doesn't do that at all. You either have to acquire him at the draft or offer-sheet him in the summer.

are you saying this in the sense other teams are trying to get him? Or just wondering the value of your current trade?

I'd think you'd have to make that 2nd the Habs 2023 2nd at the very least.

Typically draft picks are considered " a round lower" in value for each year away from the draft they are.
So a 2025 first, is equal to a 2023 3rd rd pick.

All MTL has to do is beat any offer WPG would get for PLD as a 1 year rental.

1 year offer sheets are risky, WPG could see what was going on and take the compensation, PLD then goes to MTL for one year and if things don't go well he could leave as a UFA. Hughes wouldn't make tha kind of deal.

It's a 2024 top 20 protected 1st, or the best of 2025 CGY or FLA 1st. Could very well be a 2025 top 15 pick if one of them miss playoffs.

Trade would likely happen after the 2023 draft, the 1st would only be 1 or two draft away.

Well at least now you can see that everyone is telling you it doesn't get it done. It's really a moot point though PLD will be traded at the draft, so it needs to be a 23 1st.

It doesn't make sense for MTL or any other team to send an offer sheet. That's why all MTL has to do is beat any offer another team would make for PLD as a 1 year rental.

Does that beat any offer another team would make for PLD as a 1 year rental?

Value wise, PLD is worth a lot more than that.

Or they could just not match the offer-sheet and take MTL's unprotected 2024 1st rd pick

No offer sheet.

They all don't understand a different part of the trade. I'm trying to explain right now.

Please read the description and tell me which part you don't agree with.

I'd personally rather the 2023 first just due to the fact waiting the extra 2 Years for a pick you have no clue where it's going to be or with the conditions in place what will occur. Not to mention the jets could see the return sooner as say each pick will take 2 years to make it (could be more in the 2025 draft if later) the 2023 first would debut in 2025-26 and the 2025 first would debut in 2027 or later. I just don't see why the jets would wait so long to see what they get in return and with all the unpredictability just to get the florida first kidney Mailloux and Dvorak. It's a great deal that you yourself have posted and if not at the draft make it 2024 protected top 10 and then becomes the better of the 2025 picks if neither are top 10

You've tried rationalizing or countless times and have failed. Now you have neutral fans telling you it's not realistic.

That should let you know that it's not realistic.

That's not going to happen.
Montreal isn't giving up an unprotected 1st next season and a 1st acquired by any other means is going to be lottery protected.
The "offer to beat" is the rental price. A late first and a prospect, with a contract going back for cap purposes.
The 1st from a rental will also be in 2024, where the Calgary pick can be taken if it's between 20-32. The conditions get messy after that, but the range opens up to 11-32.

The Calgary pick can be as high as number 2 overall in 2025. I have no clue what these ppl are talking about but this offer (unless you changed it) is much better than an offer sheet with a 1st and 3rd compensation.


Anyone seriously talking about an offer sheet should be ignored. Its always an empty threat. LMAO

If you think what they answered makes sense, good for you. I personally think their answer reflect they didn't understand.

I'm going to assume you didn't answer my question because you realized everything in the description is true.

This is a better offer than the Horvat deal. This would beat any rental offer for PLD. You're just mad you're not getting a top 15 pick anymore. Truth is, no one was offering it but MTL.

I agree FLA 2023 1st is better for WPG, but if no team is offering a 2023 1st, even a late one, why would MTL have to give FLA 2023 1st?

If the best offer is a 2024 late 1st and a prospect equal to Beck, then CGY 24/25 1st, Avs 2024 2nd and Beck is a better offer.

Okay, let's try this tack, maybe it will help you see where everyone is coming from.

So, here, just try and pretend for a minute that you're a Jet fan. For part of the setup, I think we both agree that Beck, while a good prospect, is at least 2 and likely 3 years away from getting a chance to be an NHL regular.

Okay, so Montreal is coming to you and asking for one of your best trade chips, Dubois but the best they want to give you is A decent piece (Beck) that is 3 years away from even seeing the NHL and a first round pick that is at least 5 years away.

You also know that you can get a similar prospect and a pick in this years draft, putting both of them about 3 years away from helping.

Honestly, what would you do?

If you like this proposal so much, maybe just put it in your back pocket and keep it until after the draft. If Dubois isn't traded you can throw it up again for debate, but until then, I'm fairly confident the Jets world opt for getting help sooner and he'll go for a package with a 23 pick.

Taking into account what most ppl say here in a serious manner when the feedback is always 95% negative is funny. I have ACGMS with nothing but negative comments at the 2022 TDL saying i was overselling Habs players and i ended up underselling them.

The word ironic doesnt begin to describe the lack of foresight by most here that are the loudest to comment.

Most here quite frankly have no clue what they are saying and never even read the description which is the story here as well

Beck is NHL ready next season. He was the last cut at MTL training camp, and was the first emergency recall this season. His OHL team traded him because they don't think he's coming back next season.

If WPG actually get another team to offer a 2023 1st and a decent prospect, then MTL should definitely offer FLA 2023 1st and Beck to beat that offer.

If no one offer a 2023 1st, i don't see why MTL would do it. They could wait and offer CGY 24/25 1st, which is better than a regular 2024 1st instead of the FLA 2023 1st.

I got nothing against FLA 2023 1st + Beck for PLD. But unless a team offer a 2023 1st + prospect equal to Beck, why would MTL do it?

Don't you agree the most likely best offer from another team is a 2024 non lottery 1st and a prospect similar to Beck?

And about what WPG should do, you seem to forget PLD is in a different situation. He doesn't hold the same value another equal player would have.

If i was WPG, i would take the best offer i can. If someone is offering a 2023 1st and a prospect equal to Beck, i would force MTL to give me FLA 2023 1st and Beck. But if no one is offering a 2023 1st, i'm taking the CGY 24/25 1st + Avs 2024 2nd + Beck deal because it's the next best thing.

@Windjammer so i think we both agree.

If WPG can get another team to offer a 2023 1st + a prospect equal to Beck before or at the draft, then MTL should offer FLA 2023 1st and Beck.

If they can't get a 2023 1st before the draft, then CGY 24/25 1st + Avs 2nd + Beck most likely beat any offer WPG would get for PLD.

I'm sorry WPG isn't getting value for PLD, but you have to understand MTL POV too. We're willing to beat any offer, but won't overpay just for the sake of it.

But you didn't answer the question what would you do?

Okay at least now I can see what you're thinking with the 23 Florida pick versus the 25 Calgary pick. Hopefully you understood what I meant with my example.

No offense, but Montreal is known for rushing their prospects and didn't have any depth, so where Beck fits in Montreal's depth doesn't mean much.

A more fair evalution of his abilities would be how he stacks up against players his age like in the World Juniors. It speaks volumes of where he's at comparatively to others his age when he could only make the team as an injury replacement and then was barely played. If he was NHL ready, he would have made the team outright. So, I call shenanigans on that one.

I can see that Montreal wouldn't want to offer more, but at the same time you have to understand that of Winnipeg can get more why would they take less?

As has been said many, many times the Horvat trade is an almost perfect example, so there should be a reasonably good chance that Winnipeg can architect at least that much for PLD. Considering the buying team is getting a full year as compared to 2 months as well as a younger, better player.