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Addison Out

Créé par: MNBassman
Équipe: 2023-24 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 18 mars 2023
Publié: 18 mars 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
For the record, I would not sign Klingberg…this just feels like what Guerin might do.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
2950 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 750 000 $
41 250 000 $
22 650 000 $
2775 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
31 750 000 $
33 000 000 $
21 750 000 $
2850 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Livingstone, Jake
1950 000 $
Transactions
1.
MIN
ARI
  1. Goligoski, Alex
Détails additionnels:
Future considerations
2.
MIN
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (PIT)
PIT
  1. Addison, Calen
  2. Foligno, Marcus
Détails additionnels:
These two can be packaged or traded separately. Value is approximate.
Rachats de contrats
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2283 500 000 $80 806 088 $0 $907 500 $2 693 912 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 1
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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894 167 $894 167 $
AG
RFA - 1
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C
RFA - 2
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 7
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
C
UFA - 6
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
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775 000 $775 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
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1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 5
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
850 000 $850 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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800 000 $800 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
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855 000 $855 000 $ (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
AD, AG
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
2 450 000 $2 450 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
7 575 000 $7 575 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
2 650 000 $2 650 000 $
G
UFA - 3
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Wild du Minnesota
1 200 000 $1 200 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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950 000 $950 000 $
DD
RFA - 2

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18 mars 2023 à 10 h 5
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What's the thought on Addison alone, a high 2nd?
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18 mars 2023 à 10 h 14
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Quoting: Jfstompers
What's the thought on Addison alone, a high 2nd?


Probably
18 mars 2023 à 10 h 21
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Pretty solid trade. Addison would be a good RD if Petry or Rutta were traded. Foligno would be good as well. The 3rd round pick would be Alexis Beaulac who’s a 6’4, 179 Right d-man. This could be the Pens last playoff run if they lose multiple of there better players. That could mean that the 202r 1st would be in the top 15. Fair deal IMO.
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18 mars 2023 à 11 h 5
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Klingberg will get more AAV so will Sundqvist.
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18 mars 2023 à 11 h 21
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Whats the issue with Addison that Wild fans/management seemingly all want to move him?

It does seem kind of counter intuitive that he both has great value but you also all want to move him.... A rookie being shopped after a solid first full season is kind of a red flag.
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18 mars 2023 à 11 h 35
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Never trade any player for Future considerations just get a 7 round pick or maybe a 6th
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19 mars 2023 à 12 h 49
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Klingberg will get more AAV so will Sundqvist.


Sundqvist maybe, Klingberg…not by a smart franchise!
20 mars 2023 à 11 h 2
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Sundqvist maybe, Klingberg…not by a smart franchise!


I like Sundqvist at 1.7M. Also I like Klingberg around 3.5M.

Where do you see Johannsen going? I'm liking the chemistry, but I only want to pay 1.5M or less.
20 mars 2023 à 11 h 7
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Quoting: F50marco
Whats the issue with Addison that Wild fans/management seemingly all want to move him?

It does seem kind of counter intuitive that he both has great value but you also all want to move him.... A rookie being shopped after a solid first full season is kind of a red flag.


Addison was "playing scared" earlier in the season according to CDE. So he was sat. Addison denied that he was. But the fact is he's been turning away from contact in our zone all year. His stick and skating aren't strong enough to just win by positioning like Brodin does. So he has to go into the corners like Spurgeon does, but he doesnt. Also he hasn't asked Spurgeon for any advice even though he's been encouraged to by the coaches and Spurg. So if he's not listening, he's got to go.
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20 mars 2023 à 13 h 18
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Addison was "playing scared" earlier in the season according to CDE. So he was sat. Addison denied that he was. But the fact is he's been turning away from contact in our zone all year. His stick and skating aren't strong enough to just win by positioning like Brodin does. So he has to go into the corners like Spurgeon does, but he doesnt. Also he hasn't asked Spurgeon for any advice even though he's been encouraged to by the coaches and Spurg. So if he's not listening, he's got to go.


Ah ok, thanks for explaining. Figured something was wrong. It didn't add up that Wild fans were always moving him despite putting up good point totals.
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20 mars 2023 à 14 h 28
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Ah ok, thanks for explaining. Figured something was wrong. It didn't add up that Wild fans were always moving him despite putting up good point totals.


Sure thing. Good shot, decent passer, but doesn't have a stretch pass, go to the corners, or reportedly listen to coaches/mentors, at least according to The Athletic in late Feb.
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20 mars 2023 à 15 h 49
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I like Sundqvist at 1.7M. Also I like Klingberg around 3.5M.

Where do you see Johannsen going? I'm liking the chemistry, but I only want to pay 1.5M or less.


I wouldn’t spend a penny on Klingberg!! He’s junk! I would pay Johansson up to $2m on a 2-3 year deal. Any more money or term and I would show him the door.
20 mars 2023 à 16 h 10
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Sure thing. Good shot, decent passer, but doesn't have a stretch pass, go to the corners, or reportedly listen to coaches/mentors, at least according to The Athletic in late Feb.


Yeah. Red flag if I ever saw one. I think Minny will be in tough to get any type of "good" value for him. Might have to be problem child for problem child type trade.
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20 mars 2023 à 18 h 14
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Yeah. Red flag if I ever saw one. I think Minny will be in tough to get any type of "good" value for him. Might have to be problem child for problem child type trade.


To be fair. The assessment on him is probably overly harsh. He still has top 4 upside as a 2nd pairing defenseman who can run a PP and is still only 22. So there's plenty of time for continued growth there.

The issue more than anything else in my mind is he is currently in the wrong system and with the wrong team oriented defense first focus for him. Which isn't necessarily his fault.

He's an offensive defenseman, who has no defensive game whatsoever. Which is nothing unusual. Especially in the NHL. But he's currently playing for a front office, organization, and coaching staff where the expectation is that a defenseman or any player really MUST play defensively sound hockey first, and be an offensive player second.

On a team that isn't as heavily focused on that or one that doesn't take issue with a less than desirable defensive skillset in favor for his aptitude for the offensive side of his game. Then he can probably thrive.

So I don't think it's his attitude, so much as, he simply doesn't fit Minnesota's overall team ideology or identity.
20 mars 2023 à 18 h 54
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To be fair. The assessment on him is probably overly harsh. He still has top 4 upside as a 2nd pairing defenseman who can run a PP and is still only 22. So there's plenty of time for continued growth there.

The issue more than anything else in my mind is he is currently in the wrong system and with the wrong team oriented defense first focus for him. Which isn't necessarily his fault.

He's an offensive defenseman, who has no defensive game whatsoever. Which is nothing unusual. Especially in the NHL. But he's currently playing for a front office, organization, and coaching staff where the expectation is that a defenseman or any player really MUST play defensively sound hockey first, and be an offensive player second.

On a team that isn't as heavily focused on that or one that doesn't take issue with a less than desirable defensive skillset in favor for his aptitude for the offensive side of his game. Then he can probably thrive.

So I don't think it's his attitude, so much as, he simply doesn't fit Minnesota's overall team ideology or identity.


As much as that could be the case and another team may bring the best out of him, most teams are defense first even if they have offensive minded players on them. The ones that aren't generally aren't that good or have 1 or 2 superstars dragging the entire team.

Either way I don't think Addison is a lost cause or anything and players do absolutely change with age and maturity but while he has some nice skill, the other parts of the game you and others have mentioned make for an asset no NHL team will pay top dollar for. IMO the value for the other team is they could hopefully turn him into a better defensively minded player but that requires them taking a chance. Teams usually get those types of players for cheap...

I think there is more value in trying to help him get better. He is afterall just a rookie at the age of 22. Most dman that age aren't NHL ready and Minny is a vet heavy solid structured team. Most young dmen would look out of place a little. Unless a 3rd or 4th is worth more to them, I'd just keep him. I can't fathom a team paying a 1st and a 2nd might be the absolute best from an unexpecting team with blinders on.
 
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