lol who do you think Mayfield is?

Hawks decline. Despite the attraction of a Raddysh bro reunion, Hawks will get a '23 pick back for Lafferty

A top-4 RD on a dirt cheap contract, also playoff-proven (51 PO games) comparable trades is Chiarot, Savard, Gavrikov, Schenn, Gudbranson etc etc.

Even if all that is true, why is TB making this absurd trade?

A 1st, another comparable, cheap, young Dman and a decent prospect....what?

The 1st is 3 drafts away, Cal Foote isn't that young (he was drafted 6 years ago somehow), and ABB is a 25 year old UDFA who has 9 points in 32 NHL games despite video game numbers in the AHL - I wouldn't call him a prospect.

To me, the comp for a Mayfield trade is last year's Josh Manson deal, which got Anaheim back a 2nd and Drew Helleson. Helleson has more upside than Foote, and when you combine that with the fact that the Isles have to wait 3 years for the pick to convey, I don't think it's crazy to bump the 2nd to a 1st.

Barré-Boulet is an AHLer, Foote is a replacement level player, the 2025 1st is the only good piece going back. A players reputation is everything in this league, I’m willing to bet you 10 000$ that Mayfield without retention will return at least a 1st, probably a 1st+

Ya...you guys don't know who Mayfield is.

He's 24 and a top 15 pick LOL....Mayfield is a bottom pair 30 year old defenseman. What drugs are you on.

hey go look at Josh Manson's numbers before he was traded last year, and then look at Scott Mayfield's, and tell me why Mayfield is less valuable than him

Josh Manson is completely irrelevant to this conversation.

you realize that the way most folks figure out trade value is by finding comparable players and see what they were traded for, right? which is why Josh Manson, a 30 year old pending UFA RHD at last year's deadline, is incredibly relevant to the conversation.

Mayfield gets 20+ minutes a night on a team currently in playoff position, is that your definition of a 3rd pair guy?

Mayfield got 20+ playoff minutes per night on a back to back conference finalist, is that a bottom pair guy?

Mayfield(and Sebastian Aho) are currently better at suppressing scoring chances than Devon Toews & Cale Maker, does that sound like a 3rd pair guy to you?


Feel free to show me anything that you've got proving Mayfield's a bottom pair guy, though.

Do you know why so many people on this site are SO far off on their trades?

Because they use comparables lol

The Avalanche aren't the Lightning. The needs are different, the GMs are different, the assets are different, the rosters are different, the cap tables are different. Comparables are useless and nonsense.

Makes no sense for TB to give up any sort of package like this for Mayfield when they have it already on the ice and in their system.

Plus, comparing this trade to a 2nd and Hellessen is hilarious enough.

Lastly, yes, Mayfield is a bottom pairing guy. That's why he's 30 years old making league minimum

Ah yes, the organization that gave up a 1st/3rd/4th for David Savard when they already had Victor Hedman, Mikhail Sergachev, Ryan McDonagh, and Erik Cerkan getting 20 minutes a night would *never* give up a 1st rounder for that type of asset when they're currently rolling out a D-corps heavily reliant on the ghost of Zach Bogosian.

I'd argue this trade is a worse return than what Manson got - as it stands right now, the pick is probably in the 50-55 range, and Helleson was just about to turn 21 at the time of the trade and projected as a middle-pair RHD. This pick is probably in the 25ish range (barring an unforeseen collapse in Tampa), ABB isn't a prospect by any standard definition of the term, and Foote's already 24 and hasn't shown himself to be much more than a bottom-pair guy (see, *this* is what one of those looks like if you were wondering: a guy who's played 25 out of 56 games and averages 14:12 per night.)

Mayfield's AAV is $1.45M (significantly higher than the league minimum, btw), and that's because he signed an extremely team-friendly deal when he had about 110 NHL games under his belt - it bought out 3 of his UFA years at a rate low enough that it wouldn't matter if he didn't develop into an everyday player. It's probably one of the best contracts Garth Snow signed in 12 years on Long Island.

If you've got *anything* to back any of this up, that a guy that gets 20+ minutes a night on a playoff team is a "bottom pair guy", like, a statistic, or a metric, or anything other than your obviously uninformed take, go ahead and put it out there. Because if all you got is "he's 30 and doesn't make enough money", you should've just avoided posting, because it makes you look like you have zero idea about what you're talking about.

I'd probably do the Mayfield trade, but I'd also try and do Names+2nd for Lafferty, thereby having more cap space and allowing for an additional move for someone like Bjugstad or another bottom 6 F add in the ~1 million aav range. As far as ABB, it's hard.to say what Tampa's plans are for him given everything that's happened with him so far, but including him may not be a dealbreaker. Maybe Tampa could re-sign Mayfield(although probably not), but if he's the dman that Brisebois believes gives them the best chance, then it's possible. He did pay a 1st, 3rd, and a 4th for Savard(double retained) a.couple years back after all. The other big question though is whether the Isles are even interested in trading Mayfield since they are battling for a playoff spot.

Tell me you have no idea how trade comps work without telling me you have no idea how trade comps work.

David savard was traded for a 1st and a 3rd.
Ben chiarot was traded for a 1st and a 4th and a prospect who was drafted in the early 3rd around half a year before the trade.
Mayfield should get a comparable package which this is. ABB is a waivers player while Foote can’t even get 15 minutes a night on a team desperate for RHD. He’s already 24 and is a borderline bust certainly not worth more than a 3rd, to mention that this pick is 3 years away. If anything this is an underpay

LOL...defend the nonsensical concept of "comparables" with two comparables examples - now that is rich.

This is really embarrassing for you. Try to delete before it's too late.

Tampa is not desperate for RHD to be clear, as Cernak, Perbix and Bogo have all played fine this season. Foote can sub in as a 3rd pairing as well when needed. However, with the injury issues that often seem to hit at least one of Cernak/Bogo, having quality depth on the right side, especially for a possible Cup push, is always helpful. It's the same reason JBB traded for Savard, and if Tampa trades for Mayfield, Schenn, or another RD, it will be the same type of situation. The emergence of Nick Perbix as a very competent RD had alleviated some of the needs on the right side moving ahead as well. Even so, the trade is fair value and one that I believe Tampa would seriously consider.

Why are comps nonsensical?