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Créé par: SakuThornton
Équipe: 2022-23 Sharks de San Jose
Date de création initiale: 21 févr. 2023
Publié: 21 févr. 2023
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    21 févr. 2023 à 20 h 43
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    Quoting: aktobos71
    I know. But its Meier worth losing some of it now? This can tamper their progress in long term.


    I think so. Buffalo is on the verge of making the playoffs. Now's the time to trade in quantty for quality and really build a great core. Let's say the price for Meier ends up being Savoie + Krebs + a mid-round pick.

    Where does this leave Buffalo in the near future?

    Thompson, Quinn, Cozens, Power, Tuch, Dahlin, Samuelsson all locked in essentially. Ostlund, Skinner, Asplund, Kulich, Rosen are all going to be nice contributors as well. Add Meier to the mix and I think you have an elite core led by Dahlin-Power (one of the best pairings in the entire league). Meier is only 26 and gives you an elite power forward for the next 5 years. If Buffalo can add a legit starting goalie this offseason by leveraging some of their prospects, that's a team that's ready to contend as soon as next season.

    Prospects are great to have but there's a time to buy at the end of a rebuild, that time is now for the Sabres
    21 févr. 2023 à 20 h 44
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    Quoting: aktobos71
    Im aware of their rich pool. But they really in need for him? And losing somewhat from pool worth it?


    Why would they not need a 60-80 pt physical forward? I legit don't understand you're point, Meier isn't old and the Sabres are a WC contender and their prospect pool isn't just rich it's excessive, not all of their forward prospects can make this NHL team some will be moved, they're one of the strongest candidates for this trade
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    21 févr. 2023 à 20 h 46
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    By all accounts, Meiers value will be less than Alex DeBrincat, You're not getting no 2 1st round picks for a guy with a $10,000,000 QO. And yeah that still has to be taken into account.
    21 févr. 2023 à 20 h 46
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    Quoting: SakuThornton
    Increased price by including Vrana's contract. Is Edvinsson in play? The prospect I'm most interested in.


    I would assume that Edvinsson, Cossa, and Kasper are both off the board for any trade offer.
    21 févr. 2023 à 20 h 47
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    Quoting: SakuThornton
    I think so. Buffalo is on the verge of making the playoffs. Now's the time to trade in quantty for quality and really build a great core. Let's say the price for Meier ends up being Savoie + Krebs + a mid-round pick.

    Where does this leave Buffalo in the near future?

    Thompson, Quinn, Cozens, Power, Tuch, Dahlin, Samuelsson all locked in essentially. Ostlund, Skinner, Asplund, Kulich, Rosen are all going to be nice contributors as well. Add Meier to the mix and I think you have an elite core led by Dahlin-Power (one of the best pairings in the entire league). Meier is only 26 and gives you an elite power forward for the next 5 years. If Buffalo can add a legit starting goalie this offseason by leveraging some of their prospects, that's a team that's ready to contend as soon as next season.

    Prospects are great to have but there's a time to buy at the end of a rebuild, that time is now for the Sabres

    In my mind team who trading for him must sign him. Price is min 9M. Its can lower their ability to resign Dahlin and Power long term.
    21 févr. 2023 à 20 h 55
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    Quoting: Shibbal18
    Why would they not need a 60-80 pt physical forward? I legit don't understand you're point, Meier isn't old and the Sabres are a WC contender and their prospect pool isn't just rich it's excessive, not all of their forward prospects can make this NHL team some will be moved, they're one of the strongest candidates for this trade


    Can their resign him without losing ability to resign long term Dahlin and Power? If yes, then can you tell me some variants of it?
    21 févr. 2023 à 20 h 59
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    Not a chance Blues does that trade
    21 févr. 2023 à 21 h 0
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    Quoting: aktobos71
    Im aware of their rich pool. But they really in need for him? And losing somewhat from pool worth it?


    I think the attitude in general in Buffalo is that it’s time to start turning the abundance of young talent we have into a player (or 2) that are for sure going to help us now- and in the future
    Meier for example, makes sense in that regard
    Where as a player like Patrick Kane does not make much sense for us
    21 févr. 2023 à 21 h 4
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    Quoting: SakuThornton
    If Snuggerud is where you draw the line, then not a chance Meier is going to be a Blue. St. Louis has nothing else of interest in terms of prospects or young players.


    That’s crazy lol.

    Snuggerud is an A prospect at this point. That’s not my opinion that’s from Wheelers athletic consensus rankings of drafted prospects.

    He’s ahead of Eklund by 8 spots and Holtz by 7. You are also asking for a lotto pick that’s most likely going to be around the 8th pick and then adds on top of that.

    I will let you set yourself up for disappointment. Meier is a fantastic player. But he’s going to come with a heavy cost of acquisition as well as a heavy cost to the cap. Getting two bonafide A grade assets isn’t going to happen.

    The Blues aren’t going to get in a bidding war for you. If the Sharks want two more firsts in this draft this is probably the only avenue to do so. But it’s not going to be a lotto pick without protection and an A grade prospect from any team let alone the Blues.

    I still stand by that if Holtz is on the table the Sharks should take it and run unless they have cause for concern with Holtz. Because I don’t think any team is going to offer you a singular piece that’s comparable as you have outlined here for a guy needing an extension.
    21 févr. 2023 à 21 h 4
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    Quoting: Buffalove
    I think the attitude in general in Buffalo is that it’s time to start turning the abundance of young talent we have into a player (or 2) that are for sure going to help us now- and in the future
    Meier for example, makes sense in that regard
    Where as a player like Patrick Kane does not make much sense for us


    Patrick Kane is more of an offseason add, like Giroux for the Sens last season. Final homecoming
    21 févr. 2023 à 21 h 5
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    Quoting: Tennisman142
    Not a chance Blues does that trade


    Blues fans acting like Snuggerud and a middle first round pick is out of the question for a young elite winger blows my mind.
    21 févr. 2023 à 21 h 6
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    Quoting: Buffalove
    I think the attitude in general in Buffalo is that it’s time to start turning the abundance of young talent we have into a player (or 2) that are for sure going to help us now- and in the future
    Meier for example, makes sense in that regard
    Where as a player like Patrick Kane does not make much sense for us


    Yes Buf on the verge of turning point. But signing him 9+M can lower their ability to resign Power and Dahlin long term.
    21 févr. 2023 à 21 h 9
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    Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
    By all accounts, Meiers value will be less than Alex DeBrincat, You're not getting no 2 1st round picks for a guy with a $10,000,000 QO. And yeah that still has to be taken into account.


    It most definitely will not be lower than DeBrincat. Meier's value has had all season long to build up, and now teams are looking to add a top-10
    right winger in the LEAGUE for a playoff run and in the future.
    DeBrincat's trade status wasn't even in play until the offseason.

    Meier is a better player than DeBrincat and much more well-rounded. Teams covet elite goalscoring wingers with size and a power game. Keep in mind that DeBrincat's trade value doesn't look impressive at first glance, but that's a confirmed top-10 draft pick that came back in the trade (number 7).

    Any team that's acquiring Meier is going to sign him to a long-term contract. DeBrincat still had 2 more RFA years before hitting UFA.
    21 févr. 2023 à 21 h 13
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    Quoting: aktobos71
    Yes Buf on the verge of turning point. But signing him 9+M can lower their ability to resign Power and Dahlin long term.


    I don't think so. Dahlin will come at a $9.5-$10M cap hit for 8 years. Power should be considerably less (probably a bridge deal at $5.5M-$6M).
    I think Meier gets the same contract as Tkachuk (8 x $9.5M). The defencemen expire in 1.5 years and the cap should go up by then if escrow is repaid.
    21 févr. 2023 à 21 h 16
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    Quoting: SakuThornton
    I don't think so. Dahlin will come at a $9.5-$10M cap hit for 8 years. Power should be considerably less (probably a bridge deal at $5.5M-$6M).
    I think Meier gets the same contract as Tkachuk (8 x $9.5M). The defencemen expire in 1.5 years and the cap should go up by then if escrow is repaid.


    If Power sign bridge deal, I can agree with you.
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    Quoting: SakuThornton
    Patrick Kane is more of an offseason add, like Giroux for the Sens last season. Final homecoming


    He’s not a guy we should add at any time imo
    Kane is a guy who should be added by a team closer to winning a Cup
    We’re still figuring out how to win consistently enough to get into the playoffs- and Kane is declining- so by the time we are truly Cup Competitors, he won’t likely be a key contributor anymore

    A younger guy like Meier still has plenty of great years left though (imo)
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    Quoting: aktobos71
    Yes Buf on the verge of turning point. But signing him 9+M can lower their ability to resign Power and Dahlin long term.


    Not at all
    It might make it hard to sign guys like Olofsson &/or Mittelstadt,
    but still have plenty of Cap to get Dahlin & Power locked up long term

    Adding Chychrun could be a problem though
    Bc i don’t think we should be devoting that much Cap to our defense
    21 févr. 2023 à 21 h 42
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    Quoting: aktobos71
    Can their resign him without losing ability to resign long term Dahlin and Power? If yes, then can you tell me some variants of it?


    The Sabres are under the cap floor and Dahlin and Power have a year left, players like Okposo, Olofsson, Mitts, and Girgensons are coming off the books and the cap is going up. Theirs plenty of variants
    21 févr. 2023 à 21 h 44
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    Quoting: SakuThornton
    Increased price by including Vrana's contract. Is Edvinsson in play? The prospect I'm most interested in.[/quot

    We'd buy out vrana before giving away assets to move him. The cap is no big deal for us. I would think edvinsson and Kasper are not in play even for a guy like Meier.
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    In that case, Detroit has nothing of value to offer. Cossa has near-zero value. Can't see Berggren or Wallinder being sufficient as main pieces.
    21 févr. 2023 à 21 h 57
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    Quoting: SakuThornton
    Increased price by including Vrana's contract. Is Edvinsson in play? The prospect I'm most interested in.


    Edvinsson is not in play.

    I dont think Meier goes for the ask. 1 good prospect, a 1st, and a 2nd or lower prospect.

    In Detroit's case, they have to know if they can't resign Bertuzzi at a reasonable hit. In fact, no point in trading for Meier if Larkin can't be resigned. Assuming Larkin really is close, Yzerman can really only take on Meier and his assumed cap hit (if he is open to sign and trade) if Bertuzzi is at 5 or so million given the Seider and Raymond deals coming up, and raises due for a few more like Hronek and Rasmussen.

    If the cap gymnastics work, Detroit would probably offer one of Johansson or Wallinder, a protected 2024 1st, and a 2023 2nd or someone like Viro or Red Savage.
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    Quoting: SakuThornton
    If Snuggerud is where you draw the line, then not a chance Meier is going to be a Blue. St. Louis has nothing else of interest in terms of prospects or young players.


    Interesting because the rumor swirling is the Sharks want picks not prospects. Bolduc is actually fairly well thought of as well but wouldn’t move him either. Doug will move picks and keep the cost controlled assets. They want a quick retool. While it looks like the Sharks are tearing it down to the studs
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    In that case, Detroit has nothing of value to offer. Cossa has near-zero value. Can't see Berggren or Wallinder being sufficient as main pieces.


    It would have to be a little bit of quantity but our 1st this year will be better than the pick you'd get from NJ or Carolina.
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    Quoting: SakuThornton
    Blues fans acting like Snuggerud and a middle first round pick is out of the question for a young elite winger blows my mind.


    Snuggerud who was 3rd in points at the WJC only behind Bedard and Cooley. Also is 5th in NCAA scoring as a freshman only behind Fantili and Cooley. Also our first round pick is currently 8th overall, so again it's not a mid round pick. Your asking for an A grade prospect and a top 10 pick for Meier. It's not going to happen and if we don't get him than ok we don't. I don't think you will get the package you want. Your probably going to get a similar package to the Debrincat one.
    21 févr. 2023 à 23 h 9
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    That’s crazy lol.

    Snuggerud is an A prospect at this point. That’s not my opinion that’s from Wheelers athletic consensus rankings of drafted prospects.

    He’s ahead of Eklund by 8 spots and Holtz by 7. You are also asking for a lotto pick that’s most likely going to be around the 8th pick and then adds on top of that.

    I will let you set yourself up for disappointment. Meier is a fantastic player. But he’s going to come with a heavy cost of acquisition as well as a heavy cost to the cap. Getting two bonafide A grade assets isn’t going to happen.

    The Blues aren’t going to get in a bidding war for you. If the Sharks want two more firsts in this draft this is probably the only avenue to do so. But it’s not going to be a lotto pick without protection and an A grade prospect from any team let alone the Blues.

    I still stand by that if Holtz is on the table the Sharks should take it and run unless they have cause for concern with Holtz. Because I don’t think any team is going to offer you a singular piece that’s comparable as you have outlined here for a guy needing an extension.


    They are calling Nemec a "B" prospect (or "A/B tweener") and he is #4 on that list. Luke Hughes is the only "A" prospect in Devils pool, according to Sharks fans.

    (Clearly inaccurate...they are unaware that there is a standard definition of "A" and "B" that the league has used for years...and Nemec, Holtz, Sunggerud...all "A")
     
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