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The unexpected third 2023 1st round pick Hughes was looking for

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Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 17 févr. 2023
Publié: 17 févr. 2023
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MTL
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
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Picks are around 26ish OA
Thoughts ?
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  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
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If the pick is around 14th OA
Thoughts ?
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17 févr. 2023 à 23 h 32
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Would depend on who is on the clock.
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17 févr. 2023 à 23 h 32
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we need more quality not quantity
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Would depend on who is on the clock.


Yeah, I think MTL would be open to do something like this
I think it would make sense for both teams
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we need more quality not quantity


The quality won’t be that far off from 15th to 28th
I think MTL would take the goalie Hrabal & whoever fall in the late 1st
17 févr. 2023 à 23 h 34
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Maybe, but it's far too soon to discuss such things.
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17 févr. 2023 à 23 h 35
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A comparable would be Coyotes-Sharks trade at least years draft

Coyotes receive: 11OA pick

Sharks receive: 27OA, 34OA, 45OA
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The quality won’t be that far off from 15th to 28th
I think MTL would take the goalie Hrabal & whoever fall in the late 1st


Mmmm the quality drop from 15 to 28 is not insignificant.
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Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if we love a defender there.

However, I wouldn't be shocked to see one of the picks traded prior to the selection for a roster player with some term armstrong likes.

The only issue is i'm not sure how big of a gap there really is from 14 to 24+. Blues kind of need to take stabs on d men and most of the d men project around that range of the draft.
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17 févr. 2023 à 23 h 37
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Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if we love a defender there.

However, I wouldn't be shocked to see one of the picks traded prior to the selection for a roster player with some term armstrong likes.

The only issue is i'm not sure how big of a gap there really is from 14 to 24+. Blues kind of need to take stabs on d men and most of the d men project around that range of the draft.


One, we also need Cs. Two, the difference between 14 and 28 is fairly sizable. Three, if Reinbacher is sitting on the board and they can make this swap, then yeah they probably do it and I'm probably happy about it. grin
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17 févr. 2023 à 23 h 42
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One, we also need Cs. Two, the difference between 14 and 28 is fairly sizable. Three, if Reinbacher is sitting on the board and they can make this swap, then yeah they probably do it and I'm probably happy about it. grin


Kind of my thought process with it. There are alot of solid D picks around the 24-50 range though. Bonk, Strback, Dragicevic, Sandin-Pellika, Allen just to name a few. It's really hard to tell. There's very unsure write-ups on the defensemen in this draft. I'd venture to guess our own 1st goes towards a center that's why I kind of passed over it.

If they love one of the d men, I could sure see them jumping up though. This is just a very odd draft and the Blues forward group outlook looks pretty good. Alot of really good forwards in the org going forward.

We have 5+ top 9 forwards currently contracted for at least 2 more seasons in Buch, Thomas, Kyrou, Schenn, and Saad. I don't really love Saad but he's responsible and streaky. Neighbors is very close to being a top 9 forward already if he's not yet. He's shown a lot after his first send down this season. That's 6 there. Snuggerud is realistically viewed as an A prospect at this point and Bolduc is considered a top 50 prospect (per Wheeler). That's 8/9 Very good chances at top 9 forwards.
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One, we also need Cs. Two, the difference between 14 and 28 is fairly sizable. Three, if Reinbacher is sitting on the board and they can make this swap, then yeah they probably do it and I'm probably happy about it. grin


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Kind of my thought process with it. There are alot of solid D picks around the 24-50 range though. Bonk, Strback, Dragicevic, Sandin-Pellika, Allen just to name a few. It's really hard to tell. There's very unsure write-ups on the defensemen in this draft. I'd venture to guess our own 1st goes towards a center that's why I kind of passed over it.

If they love one of the d men, I could sure see them jumping up though. This is just a very odd draft and the Blues forward group outlook looks pretty good. Alot of really good forwards in the org going forward.

We have 5+ top 9 forwards currently contracted for at least 2 more seasons in Buch, Thomas, Kyrou, Schenn, and Saad. I don't really love Saad but he's responsible and streaky. Neighbors is very close to being a top 9 forward already if he's not yet. He's shown a lot after his first send down this season. That's 6 there. Snuggerud is realistically viewed as an A prospect at this point and Bolduc is considered a top 50 prospect (per Wheeler). That's 8/9 Very good chances at top 9 forwards.


Dman going top 20 are probably : RHD Sandin Pellikka & David Reinbacher / LHD : Dmitri Simashev & Mikhail Gulyayev
If one of Sandin Pellikka or Reinbacher are on the board when MTL pick for the 2nd time, they will grab the RHD, but if they both went out, I could see them trading the pick
Do you think the Blues would be against drafting one of the Russian guys between Simashev or Gulyayev ?
18 févr. 2023 à 0 h 34
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Kind of my thought process with it. There are alot of solid D picks around the 24-50 range though. Bonk, Strback, Dragicevic, Sandin-Pellika, Allen just to name a few. It's really hard to tell. There's very unsure write-ups on the defensemen in this draft. I'd venture to guess our own 1st goes towards a center that's why I kind of passed over it.

If they love one of the d men, I could sure see them jumping up though. This is just a very odd draft and the Blues forward group outlook looks pretty good. Alot of really good forwards in the org going forward.

We have 5+ top 9 forwards currently contracted for at least 2 more seasons in Buch, Thomas, Kyrou, Schenn, and Saad. I don't really love Saad but he's responsible and streaky. Neighbors is very close to being a top 9 forward already if he's not yet. He's shown a lot after his first send down this season. That's 6 there. Snuggerud is realistically viewed as an A prospect at this point and Bolduc is considered a top 50 prospect (per Wheeler). That's 8/9 Very good chances at top 9 forwards.


Lots of forwards, very few Cs who can top 6. We need to restock that cupboard.
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Dman going top 20 are probably : RHD Sandin Pellikka & David Reinbacher / LHD : Dmitri Simashev & Mikhail Gulyayev
If one of Sandin Pellikka or Reinbacher are on the board when MTL pick for the 2nd time, they will grab the RHD, but if they both went out, I could see them trading the pick
Do you think the Blues would be against drafting one of the Russian guys between Simashev or Gulyayev ?


Very tough to tell. The Russian factor isn't getting any better currently. However, we took the chance on Tarasenko, but he was rated alot higher than to where he fell. I don't think they'd trade up for either of them to be honest. I think it's very likely that they're still there around the 25-32 mark. I don't think Gulyayev will hold much interest to them. I feel like Armstrong is going to go back to having towers on defense. That cup team had the following d men: Pietrangelo 6'3, Gunnarsson 6'2, Parayko 6'6, JBo 6'4, Dunn 6', Bortuzzo 6'4 and Edmundson 6'4. Since then we have tried moving to more of a transition style for some reason I think Pietro leaving was the biggest factor and our defense has been pretty miserable. Pieces not fitting, coaching trying to fit square pegs into round holes etc. It just seems unlikely.

What seems a bit more likely is using the 2 firsts on guys in that 2nd tier of a guy like reinbacher isn't which i don't know if he will or not like Bonk, Strbak, Dragicevic etc. If you factor in the risk of taking a Russian there, it's not worth spending two picks close to that range to move up to possibly never get to use the player that you're moving up for with so many solid options that haven't really seperated themselves in that range. I'm not saying it's out of the question for them to move up, Armstrong talked about it in his presser after the Tarasenko trade. I just don't think they'll do it for a huge risk like that that isn't that far removed from the other options available.

I think a trade of one of the picks along with someone from our roster or other assets for an upgrade similar to the Schenn deal is more likely in which they dumped Lehtera and two firsts for Schenn.

Good news is there are lots of options and our amateur scouting team has been fantastic in the late 1st round. Very exciting to finally have a lotto pick and still be able to utilize our strength of drafting later in the 1st.
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18 févr. 2023 à 0 h 45
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Lots of forwards, very few Cs who can top 6. We need to restock that cupboard.


The good news is we only need 1 who can top 6 C. I don't think Leonard would be a bad pickup for that matter. That being said, near term, Schenn is still fairly decent as a top 6 C option but our cupboard is pretty bare. We'll have quite a bit of cap flexibility though i'd imagine, and i dont expect Snuggerud or Bolduc to be regulars next season on the NHL team. I really don't think Toronto could re-sign ROR, i wouldn't put it out of the question that we don't take a shot at re-signing him assuming he doesn't get back to norm this second half of the season and have contract demands that are just too much for us to handle with term.

I'm hoping we get a nice return for Barby which given how Armstrong has been operating i dont doubt, I wouldn't rule out an off the radar trade like the Schenn trade to also fill that hole near term. Ideally we get a good center with our lotto pick and can bring back ROR or add someone on a 2-3 year contract to fill the hole until that prospect is developed.
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The good news is we only need 1 who can top 6 C. I don't think Leonard would be a bad pickup for that matter. That being said, near term, Schenn is still fairly decent as a top 6 C option but our cupboard is pretty bare. We'll have quite a bit of cap flexibility though i'd imagine, and i dont expect Snuggerud or Bolduc to be regulars next season on the NHL team. I really don't think Toronto could re-sign ROR, i wouldn't put it out of the question that we don't take a shot at re-signing him assuming he doesn't get back to norm this second half of the season and have contract demands that are just too much for us to handle with term.

I'm hoping we get a nice return for Barby which given how Armstrong has been operating i dont doubt, I wouldn't rule out an off the radar trade like the Schenn trade to also fill that hole near term. Ideally we get a good center with our lotto pick and can bring back ROR or add someone on a 2-3 year contract to fill the hole until that prospect is developed.


1 - Barring some crazy lottery luck, I want Dvorsky.

2 - Leonard isn't a winger or a lottery quality pick. Danielson would be cool if we get stuck around 9-10-11, though.

I hope we can bring Barby and Cookie back. ROR would be tougher, but I'd welcome him on the right deal.
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1 - Barring some crazy lottery luck, I want Dvorsky.

2 - Leonard isn't a winger or a lottery quality pick. Danielson would be cool if we get stuck around 9-10-11, though.

I hope we can bring Barby and Cookie back. ROR would be tougher, but I'd welcome him on the right deal.


Danielson going in the 18-20 range IMO
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Danielson going in the 18-20 range IMO


Hmm. I was thinking more like 10-12.
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I'd take Dragicevic and Hrabal at the bottom of the 1st, but that may not be possible and we wouldn't know until after the trade is made, at which point it's too late and we may not get any of the players we were targeting. The idea is okay, but too much uncertainty with who we would be giving that pick up for. There aren't really other players that interest me at that range.
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Hmm. I was thinking more like 10-12.


Bedard,Fantilli,Carlsson,Michkov,Benson,Smith,Moore,Leonard,Barlow,Dvorsky,Cristall,Sale,Wood are all going over him IMO, after Yager is pretty close of Danielson. But you gotta add at least 2-3 defenseman going top 15, pushing forwards down
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Bedard,Fantilli,Carlsson,Michkov,Benson,Smith,Moore,Leonard,Barlow,Dvorsky,Cristall,Sale,Wood are all going over him IMO, after Yager is pretty close of Danielson. But you gotta add at least 2-3 defenseman going top 15, pushing forwards down


Hmm. I don't necessarily agree with all those names as locks to go ahead of him, plus he's just one of those types that some teams will crush hard for. But hey, he can fall to the Blues at 26 for all I care. squinty smile
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