I can't see Carolina paying that. Morrow and Jarvis is too expensive. Maatta is probably a 3rd, I have a hard time thinking they don't get more quality for demko.

I like where your head is at, and these deals are pretty reasonable. I doubt Demko can be had without a 1st and making it up in volume isn't really gonna make Vancouver jump at the trade. However, this is Vancouver, so they make it a point to do terrible trades that don't work for them.

I dont think Larkin gets that haul. Their best prospect that is probably NHL ready, Jarvis is good already and figures to be a 2C one day soon, I think, and a late 1st. The D prospect is playing alright in Finland, but at 19 he has a ways to go, and the Finnish league isn't bad but it certainly is well below the SHL.

Basically, Carolina is giving up more than they'd be willing. For perspective, I'd say this would be the equivalent of Detroit trading Edvinsson, Rasmussen, and Viro/Wallinder, and a pick, to land Horvat. Jarvis is probably better than Rasmussen, but Edvinsson is probably better than Morrow.

Come onnn, Kubalik is in there, though. Dominik Kubalik, the prolific point producer every Wings fan on here doesn’t wanna let go of. I should unblock HockeyIsMyPassion so we can get more perspective on how amazing & valuable Dominik Kubalik is.

I could see Carolina overpaying to replace Max; this likely won’t be the deal they do though for obvious reasons.

Maatta’s value definitely took a hit ever since getting switched off of Hronek’s pairing. At this point, with Walman presumably in the mix next year, I would hope Maatta is moved rather than losing him for nothing, as it would make little sense to re-sign both he and Walman.

Demko is an interesting case, as is Vancouver as a whole. I can’t really see a team giving up more than that and Vancouver will likely want more but, with the injury and poor play; it is most likely he is not traded at all.

I agree I have a hard time seeing demko traded. I know goalies are bananas and selling him now gets them off the hook for the money but it's also maybe selling low on a high end goalie. They're better off waiting unless someone kills them with an offer.

Thank you. Good points on all fronts.

Jarvis appears to be strictly a winger. He’s not lived up to expectations this year but, I don’t anticipate Carolina moving him just yet. I was hellbent in the offseason about trying to pry Marty Necas away from them and he is now having a career year. I think patience would be best for Jarvis & the Canes but, if they can get a player like Larkin for him, it might work.

I could see CAR doing a trade like this but, with Jarvis OR Morrow, likely not both. I suppose how they view Kubalik’s value and an extension perhaps in place for Larkin could impact the return in Detroit’s favor. More than likely though, Larkin is not traded.

Also, reasonable comparison on that trade package - the Edvinsson & Rasmussen explanation makes sense, however I’d use maybe Buium instead of Wallinder, and if the Red Wings were a dominant team like the Canes are, that would give us something to think about. I probably wouldn’t do it, but something to consider nonetheless.

For sure.

Do you make that Demko deal if you’re the Wings ?

I can’t see the Canucks selling low on Demko

I would have to agree. This package surely isn’t peanuts but, you would imagine they’d want a 1st back.

Yeah I imagine the starting point is a 1st or equivalent prospect, which I don’t see Detroit giving up at this stage

I concur.

Canucks pass, no real reason for us to do that

All of these ludocristly favor Detroit. Rental Larkin right now wouldn't get back Morrow or Jarvis, forget both. Not even your dreams should be containing that.

For some perspective from Canes country, they will NOT feel compelled to overpay to replace Max considering the team managed to do quite well without him for the vast majority of the season. Now they will want to reinforce for the playoffs, but they are in a position to make some more strategic adds. One big hitter perhaps, but there is no reason to buy out of desperation. Injury can change all that, but you're not looking at a team that will need to overpay unless they care to dive into a bidding war which they tend to shy away from. I think they may lean towards some trades for players with term to get ahead on next years roster considering some pending UFA's not likely coming back. Just my .02 cents from the heart of Canes country.

This would never happen, but I feel like this is one situation where a pending UFA can be traded for a strong but discounted price, and then re-signed in the summer.

This is obviously assuming a Bo Horvat type of situation, where the team trading for him will be extending him long term.

“Ludocristly” damn, wish I saw this word before I made my username on here.

So, I take it you don’t like Dominik Kubalik, eh?

I absolutely agree. This was more-so to demonstrate our unwillingness to give Larkin away. We would need to be overpaid.

Carolina is probably top 5 right now overall in the NHL without Max, however I would imagine they do make a move prior to the deadline. Probably not one as significant as this, though.

Those are my dream type of trades. I always wonder why they never seem to happen, tho. Probably not a real good look to say the least.

Seems like a no-brainer to me, especially with this Larkin situation.

Take a 1st + from Team X, re-sign Larkin in the summer.

Love it. More of “borrow” than a trade, lol.

I'm more of a fan of a trade like that for a goalie than drafting one high in the first round like we did with cossa. If yzerman plans to add and try and be better then I wouldn't hate the deal I'm just not sure it's the best use of the assets though.

I feel u.

Idk if you keep tabs on the Griffins but Zadina & Vrana combined for 3 goals and Soderblom netted the GW SO goal. Vrana has been on a tear with 8 points in his last 7 games after the slow start he had. YouTube highlights if u wanna see the game recap.

https://youtu.be/DUqzTTXGGoI

Yeah I saw, it's really nice to see. I'm not optimistic but God would Zadina putting up some points when he gets back be great. I wonder if we see vrana at some point soon too? I figured they'd leave him there but he's playing real good.

I more meant giving up 3x what Larkin is worth for a meh 2C when Jarvis has literally started to move over recently.

Even in that situation, Jarvis and Morrow are non-starters.