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2023-24 Habs

Créé par: Dom1422
Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 29 janv. 2023
Publié: 29 janv. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
2900 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
23 250 000 $
87 750 000 $
42 100 000 $
21 250 000 $
2875 000 $
1775 000 $
2900 000 $
2875 000 $
88 125 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
16 375 000 $
1800 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Benson, Zach
3925 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Puljujärvi, Jesse [Droits de RFA]
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
EDM
  1. Edmundson, Joel
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (VGK)
Détails additionnels:
2023 Trade Deadline
2.
MTL
  1. Olausson, Oskar
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (COL)
COL
  1. Monahan, Sean (3 153 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
Détails additionnels:
2023 Trade Deadline
3.
MTL
  1. Meier, Timo [Droits de RFA]
SJS
  1. Mesar, Filip
  2. Pitlick, Rem
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (MTL)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2583 500 000 $80 663 833 $1 170 000 $4 195 000 $2 836 167 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
7 750 000 $7 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 8
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7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
C
UFA - 7
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
8 125 000 $8 125 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 8
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3 362 500 $3 362 500 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
897 500 $897 500 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
885 000 $885 000 $
C
RFA - 4
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
900 000 $900 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance275 000 $$275K)
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 925 000 $1 925 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
828 333 $828 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
766 667 $766 667 $
DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 1

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30 janv. 2023 à 13 h 46
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Quoting: Dom1422
He’s better than Compher, Rodrigues, and Newhook. Rodrigues and Newhook are wingers though so not sure why you even brought them up. If they considered them upgrades at C they’d be currently playing C, but they’re not.


newhook is playing C, and Erod has played C a lot this season as well.
You really have no clue what you are talking about

Time to add you to the ingore list, clearly you just like to throw stuff to the wall and troll
30 janv. 2023 à 13 h 53
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newhook is playing C, and Erod has played C a lot this season as well.
You really have no clue what you are talking about

Time to add you to the ingore list, clearly you just like to throw stuff to the wall and troll


Oh wow they’ve put Newhook at 3C, and Rodrigues has played a few games at C. Yeah looks like they have their C’s locked in lol. Compher at 2c is really going to be good enough. That’s why they’re a mediocre team this season. I’m sure Sakic agrees with you that the team is good enough for a playoff run. No need to add a centre.

Don’t put me on the ignore list because we’ll need to come back to this when the Avs trade for Monahan.
30 janv. 2023 à 14 h 12
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Merkley is an offensive defenseman who doesn’t produce much even in the ahl.. he sure as hell isn’t going to produce in the nhl. Kaut filling a bottom 6 role is far more likely.

Who do you think the Avs are going to look to acquire at the deadline to upgrade at C? Not Horvat, Not O’Rielly, Toews is unlikely though I’m sure they’ll try. There are like 6 people in this thread. One guy thinks the Avs have zero interest in Monahan, which is obviously not true. Do you think they have no interest or that this is too high of a price to pay?


Hi it’s me, that one guy.

Yes, the Avs don’t have interest in an injured player that hasn’t played in 2 months and has a very long history of injuries.

Yes, the Avs aren’t going to pay premium assets for that same guy.

At this point, Compher/Rodrigues/Newhook are all better options at C than Monahan. Those three players are actually healthy.

Sure, there’s a universe where the Avs give up a late round pick with a bunch of conditions around games played. Outside of that, I don’t see any real situation where the Avs are targeting Monahan.
30 janv. 2023 à 14 h 16
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Hi it’s me, that one guy.

Yes, the Avs don’t have interest in an injured player that hasn’t played in 2 months and has a very long history of injuries.

Yes, the Avs aren’t going to pay premium assets for that same guy.

At this point, Compher/Rodrigues/Newhook are all better options at C than Monahan. Those three players are actually healthy.

Sure, there’s a universe where the Avs give up a late round pick with a bunch of conditions around games played. Outside of that, I don’t see any real situation where the Avs are targeting Monahan.


Nah they’ll give up a useless late 2nd round pick and an average prospect for him because that’s what he will cost.
30 janv. 2023 à 14 h 31
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Merkley is an offensive defenseman who doesn’t produce much even in the ahl.. he sure as hell isn’t going to produce in the nhl. Kaut filling a bottom 6 role is far more likely.

Who do you think the Avs are going to look to acquire at the deadline to upgrade at C? Not Horvat, Not O’Rielly, Toews is unlikely though I’m sure they’ll try. There are like 6 people in this thread. One guy thinks the Avs have zero interest in Monahan, which is obviously not true. Do you think they have no interest or that this is too high of a price to pay?


I think they have no interest in paying the price it would cost to get Monahan under their cap. You keep talking about Olausson being not much of a prospect, which might not be wrong, but he's one of the few remaining guys in the Avs' current pipeline that projects as a potentially useful NHL player. So even if he'd be the Habs' 6th best winger prospect (or whatever), it's still the Avs giving up a 2nd rounder and one of their few prospects for a guy that hasn't played in nearly two months. On top of that, if the 2nd & Olausson gets Monahan at full retention, it still wouldn't work for Colorado cap-wise (as I've mentioned twice already in this thread) - his $3.187M AAV means they would have to move cap out or find a 3rd team to double-retain Monahan in order to activate Gabriel Landeskog off LTIR, which at this point looks like it will happen around the first week of March.

They really don't have any movable contracts they could send back to create that cap space without opening another hole on their roster, so they're stuck finding a 3rd team to rope in to get that extra retention so Monahan and Landeskog can both fit under the cap. So now it's a 2nd, a 3rd/4th, and their best remaining forward prospect for a rental who would basically upgrade the 3rd line when everyone's healthy- if you're assuming the top 6 would shake out with some combination of Nichushkin - Mackinnnon - Rodrigues and Lehkonen - Landeskog - Rantanen, who is Monahan bumping out?

I think what I said upthread is much more likely - the Avs focus on a less expensive forward who can play in their bottom 6 and fill in on the top 6 if necessary - Nick Bjugstad in Arizona has a $900K cap hit and shouldn't cost much more than a 3rd; Ivan Barbashev from St. Louis is more of a winger than a C but can fill in there in a pinch and can be retained down to $1.125M without a third team being involved, and again can probably be had for a 3rd and a mid-tier prospect or a 2nd and a lesser prospect.
30 janv. 2023 à 15 h 12
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
I think they have no interest in paying the price it would cost to get Monahan under their cap. You keep talking about Olausson being not much of a prospect, which might not be wrong, but he's one of the few remaining guys in the Avs' current pipeline that projects as a potentially useful NHL player. So even if he'd be the Habs' 6th best winger prospect (or whatever), it's still the Avs giving up a 2nd rounder and one of their few prospects for a guy that hasn't played in nearly two months. On top of that, if the 2nd & Olausson gets Monahan at full retention, it still wouldn't work for Colorado cap-wise (as I've mentioned twice already in this thread) - his $3.187M AAV means they would have to move cap out or find a 3rd team to double-retain Monahan in order to activate Gabriel Landeskog off LTIR, which at this point looks like it will happen around the first week of March.

They really don't have any movable contracts they could send back to create that cap space without opening another hole on their roster, so they're stuck finding a 3rd team to rope in to get that extra retention so Monahan and Landeskog can both fit under the cap. So now it's a 2nd, a 3rd/4th, and their best remaining forward prospect for a rental who would basically upgrade the 3rd line when everyone's healthy- if you're assuming the top 6 would shake out with some combination of Nichushkin - Mackinnnon - Rodrigues and Lehkonen - Landeskog - Rantanen, who is Monahan bumping out?

I think what I said upthread is much more likely - the Avs focus on a less expensive forward who can play in their bottom 6 and fill in on the top 6 if necessary - Nick Bjugstad in Arizona has a $900K cap hit and shouldn't cost much more than a 3rd; Ivan Barbashev from St. Louis is more of a winger than a C but can fill in there in a pinch and can be retained down to $1.125M without a third team being involved, and again can probably be had for a 3rd and a mid-tier prospect or a 2nd and a lesser prospect.


I think acquiring Bjugstad would be pointless. 4th liner at this point. Barbashev would probably be one of their targets but again, there are a ton of buyers this year.
30 janv. 2023 à 15 h 26
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I think acquiring Bjugstad would be pointless. 4th liner at this point. Barbashev would probably be one of their targets but again, there are a ton of buyers this year.


Bjugstad's scoring at a 35-40 point pace getting some of the Coyotoes' hardest competition and only costs $900K. Any offensive value advantage that Monahan has over him gets negated by the fact that Bjugstad has much stronger defensive numbers, and has the ability to fill in up and down the lineup if need be, while Monahan is mostly an offensive minded player. When you factor in the lower cap hit and cheaper acquisition cost, Bjugstad has the chance to bring much more value to the Avs than Monahan would.
30 janv. 2023 à 16 h 48
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Nah they’ll give up a useless late 2nd round pick and an average prospect for him because that’s what he will cost.


If they’re trading assets like that, it’ll probably be for a player who has played a game in 2023.
1 févr. 2023 à 1 h 7
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If they’re trading assets like that, it’ll probably be for a player who has played a game in 2023.


Assets like what? Oh those basic ones. Name the other players you think they’re targeting.
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Quoting: dannibalcorpse
Bjugstad's scoring at a 35-40 point pace getting some of the Coyotoes' hardest competition and only costs $900K. Any offensive value advantage that Monahan has over him gets negated by the fact that Bjugstad has much stronger defensive numbers, and has the ability to fill in up and down the lineup if need be, while Monahan is mostly an offensive minded player. When you factor in the lower cap hit and cheaper acquisition cost, Bjugstad has the chance to bring much more value to the Avs than Monahan would.


Quoting: dannibalcorpse
Bjugstad's scoring at a 35-40 point pace getting some of the Coyotoes' hardest competition and only costs $900K. Any offensive value advantage that Monahan has over him gets negated by the fact that Bjugstad has much stronger defensive numbers, and has the ability to fill in up and down the lineup if need be, while Monahan is mostly an offensive minded player. When you factor in the lower cap hit and cheaper acquisition cost, Bjugstad has the chance to bring much more value to the Avs than Monahan would.


Bjugstad gets them nowhere. In Colorado I wouldn’t be surprised if Monahan starts producing at a 70 point clip again. He was on a roughly 60 point pace in Montreal playing with nobody. Bjugstad’s 35 points just won’t make enough of a difference.
1 févr. 2023 à 8 h 8
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Assets like what? Oh those basic ones. Name the other players you think they’re targeting.


Is Monahan back yet?
1 févr. 2023 à 10 h 54
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Is Monahan back yet?


This only applies if he comes back before the deadline
1 févr. 2023 à 11 h 41
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This only applies if he comes back before the deadline


Even if Monahan comes back and plays every game before the TDL (a big assumption), he has 10 games to rehab his value. Dude has been injured for 2+ months at this point and has an extensive injury history.

He doesn’t have this value because the dude has so many injury question marks. You aren’t getting a recent 1st and a 2nd. Not from Colorado, not from anyone. Value is probably much closer to a mid round pick with some conditions on his health.
1 févr. 2023 à 12 h 41
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Even if Monahan comes back and plays every game before the TDL (a big assumption), he has 10 games to rehab his value. Dude has been injured for 2+ months at this point and has an extensive injury history.

He doesn’t have this value because the dude has so many injury question marks. You aren’t getting a recent 1st and a 2nd. Not from Colorado, not from anyone. Value is probably much closer to a mid round pick with some conditions on his health.


I could see the conditions, but he’s 100% landing a 2nd+. Probably with the condition that he plays in at least have of said teams games.
1 févr. 2023 à 12 h 57
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I could see the conditions, but he’s 100% landing a 2nd+. Probably with the condition that he plays in at least have of said teams games.


Time to wait and see I guess. Hopefully he’s able to start practicing again and playing in games.
3 mars 2023 à 16 h 50
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I could see the conditions, but he’s 100% landing a 2nd+. Probably with the condition that he plays in at least have of said teams games.


Did Monahan get a 2nd?
5 mars 2023 à 22 h 33
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Did Monahan get a 2nd?


No he was still hurt by the time the deadline came.
 
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