No none of us can say positively what a GM will do, but you can make an educated guess. Dvorak would be an expensive 4th liner on the Jets, so no value would be placed in him, I would think and Strudel would be 5 or 6 on the Jets left side, so again no value.

I also did make the argument in my very first post that the first was a good start but Strudel and Dvorak hold no value to Winnipeg and need to be replaced with pieces that have value to Winnipeg. So there's you're respectable argument.

In didn't say it isn't close, I said it's not good enough to be competitive with the other offers Winnipeg will have.

1C is the rarest and hardest position in hockey to fill, so you're really kidding yourself if you think teams won't be calling the Jets non-stop if PLD is available.

If we take your evaluation of your offer being a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Dubois, then you are saying that the difference between 2 months of a cap dump like Monahan that cost Calgary a 1st to move and a year and a half, plus another 7 years of a young 1C extended at below market value is 10-15 spots in the draft and a 2nd (the difference between a 3rd and 6th is negligible).

I know you're grasping at straws trying to defend your our offer, but do you seriously believe that?

You've kind of painted yourself into a corner here showing that you seriously overvalue Monahan while simultaneously undervaluing PLD. Demonstrating a very clear pro-Montreal bias in player evalution.

Anyways, you can believe that you offered enough, that's fine. Reality, as we've seen from the actual trades we discussed, shows that it won't be enough and he'll be moved elsewhere if he is indeed traded. If the actual offers from Montreal equal yours.

“Teams will be calling the Jets non-stop if PLD is available” first off there is no if, he is 100% available. And secondly, only the teams that he will re-sign with will be calling, they will all get a hold of his agent, and when he tells over half the league he won’t re-sign with them it changes everything.

It’s not even an educated guess. Who are the Jets centres without Dubois? Scheifele, Lowry and Stenberg lol. You’re telling me they wouldn’t want a centre back?

If I overvalued Maonahan so did Lebrun and Friedman because both of them claim he will be a hot target at the deadline and most likely return a 1st. So I guess we can pretend you’re more knowledgeable than them. And again, the return for Monahan vs Dubois is not comparable, not even on the same planet. You know this, you’re not stupid.

You still haven't explained how you actually came to the conclusion that the difference between 7 years of a young 1C and 2 months of Monahan is 15 spots in the draft and a 2nd.

and just what exactly are some of those records? Makar improved in his 2nd year with the team, morrow has stagnated