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Nobody Is Going To Claim Vrana

Créé par: IDKtbh
Équipe: 2022-23 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 3 janv. 2023
Publié: 3 janv. 2023
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Lots to unpack here but, after all the moves Yzerman has made in his career, this one might be up there with the shrewdest.

Vrana is obviously too good of a player to just simply give away for nothing. So, why would Yzerman risk doing just that? Could there be more than meets the eye regarding Vrana and his personal absence that would indicate an even further absence potentially?

You would have to assume that potential claiming teams are aware of the risks regarding Vrana that the public does not.

Vrana is owed nearly $11m over the next two seasons and aside from his personal absences, he’s struggled to stay healthy otherwise during his brief stint in Detroit - would a team make that sort of a commitment to what is becoming one of the more precarious players in the league?

The red wings are currently caught in a unique position with several players returning from injury (absences) soon (Fabbri, Bertuzzi & the aforementioned Vrana), and were going to have to send down players like Joe Veleno, Elmer Soderblom or Jonatan Berggren down to Grand Rapids but, they’re all in the midst of developing into very fine players.

If Vrana is claimed - what are teams getting in him or out of him? Will they be saving Detroit from further detriment, distraction, wasted salary?

If Vrana is not claimed, he goes to Grand Rapids where he was already going for a conditioning stint.

All in all, Yzerman made the bold call to dangle a player out there who he knows is too risky financially for a team to claim and none of us thought of it.

As tough as I have been on Yzerman over the years, it’s moves like this that essentially put me in my place and remind me that this guy is just numerous steps ahead of not only me but even a majority of his peers.
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3 janv. 2023 à 15 h 52
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Detroit fans give Steve Yzerman way too much credit sometimes
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3 janv. 2023 à 15 h 53
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Correct. No one is picking him up straight out of rehab for that cost.
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Detroit fans give Steve Yzerman way too much credit sometimes


"As tough as I have been on Yzerman over the years, it’s moves like this that essentially put me in my place and remind me that this guy is just numerous steps ahead of not only me but even a majority of his peers." yet we know absolutely nothing about why he got waived yet
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3 janv. 2023 à 15 h 55
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Detroit fans give Steve Yzerman way too much credit sometimes


As I mentioned, I’ve been very impartial towards Yzerman over the last few years. I didn’t like the Leddy trade with NYI, I wasn’t a fan of taking Seider so early, even tho I liked him, I felt he’d be available much later in the first and wanted Zegras or Boldy, I questioned why Yzerman didn’t take Marleau from the Leafs with his former teammate Shanahan running things over there - anyways point is, I’ve been critical of him.

But I guess we’ll know in 24 hours, boss.
3 janv. 2023 à 15 h 57
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"As tough as I have been on Yzerman over the years, it’s moves like this that essentially put me in my place and remind me that this guy is just numerous steps ahead of not only me but even a majority of his peers." yet we know absolutely nothing about why he got waived yet

Right, we don’t. But he does. The NHL has been very private about keeping the personal stuff under wraps publicly. I’m not certain but I would have to assume that other teams have access to information like that when they’re in position to acquire a player under these circumstances.
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3 janv. 2023 à 15 h 57
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What would Detroit want for Zadina half retained? Zadina straight up is worth about a 3rd going off of what Wings fans have been saying. But how much extra would a team have to cough up for ~900k retained over 3 years? Assuming the Wings are out by the deadline, I would imagine Kubalik, Zadina, Bertuzzi, and Suter are the pieces that get moved. Kubalik is likely to bring the biggest haul, especially with half retention. Bertuzzi to a contender likely would need retention. Suter would likely also need retention as well, unless a team would be looking at Suter as a potential stopgap for prospects to develop. So that would leave Zadina, how about a 3rd and 4th rounder for Zadina half retained? Or would something like R. Suzuki and a 5th for Zadina half retained and a 7th be more appropriate? (Speaking from a Canes POV if you couldn’t tell)
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3 janv. 2023 à 16 h 0
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Reminding myself to come back here in 24 hours.
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What would Detroit want for Zadina half retained? Zadina straight up is worth about a 3rd going off of what Wings fans have been saying. But how much extra would a team have to cough up for ~900k retained over 3 years? Assuming the Wings are out by the deadline, I would imagine Kubalik, Zadina, Bertuzzi, and Suter are the pieces that get moved. Kubalik is likely to bring the biggest haul, especially with half retention. Bertuzzi to a contender likely would need retention. Suter would likely also need retention as well, unless a team would be looking at Suter as a potential stopgap for prospects to develop. So that would leave Zadina, how about a 3rd and 4th rounder for Zadina half retained? Or would something like R. Suzuki and a 5th for Zadina half retained and a 7th be more appropriate? (Speaking from a Canes POV if you couldn’t tell)

Well, you’re asking to retain for 3 years which is a bigger component of a deal relative to the actual cost. So, that alone would be a hindrance. Not to mention, retaining on Zadina when we would probably retaining on other trade candidates that would bring a higher return presents another would-be roadblock albeit not impossible.

So, from a sheer value standpoint, I could see Zadina with half retention being worth at least a 2023 2nd round pick and a mediocre prospect.
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Reminding myself to come back here in 24 hours.

Lmaoo straight up. I’m testing my own shrewdness here😂
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So, from a sheer value standpoint, I could see Zadina with half retention being worth at least a 2023 2nd round pick and a mediocre prospect.


I think you reversed yourself there. DET would have to give up a 3rd and another mediocre prospect to get rid of Zadina. Especially since it's a 3-year contract. Honestly the dude is just negative value at this point which is really too bad.
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I think you reversed yourself there. DET would have to give up a 3rd and another mediocre prospect to get rid of Zadina. Especially since it's a 3-year contract. Honestly the dude is just negative value at this point which is really too bad.

He has a $1.8m AAV, that’s barely anything for a player with his experience and contrary to popular belief, existing potential.
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yet we know absolutely nothing about why he got waived yet


Too true, but the Wings needed a roster spot, he's coming back from Player assistance program, has basically stunk so far in his conditioning stint in GR, has only played 28 games in 2 years and has the highest salary cap amongst the players the Wings could/would waive.
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3 janv. 2023 à 16 h 30
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contrary to popular belief, existing potential.


0 points in 9 games? Riley Sheahan v 2.0.

But regardless, he's been surpassed on the depth chart. Where exactly is he going to play even if Vrana is claimed?
3 janv. 2023 à 17 h 5
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If nothing else, Yzerman thinks 5.25m can be spent better than Vrana......never mind any other "problems" Yzerman has with Vrana
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Right, we don’t. But he does. The NHL has been very private about keeping the personal stuff under wraps publicly. I’m not certain but I would have to assume that other teams have access to information like that when they’re in position to acquire a player under these circumstances.


Just heard he removed all Red Wings stuff from his Instagram. This might be worse than we thought
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Just heard he removed all Red Wings stuff from his Instagram. This might be worse than we thought


This is correct.
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