All are heavily, heavily, heavily lopsided in Montreal's favour.

Monahan is a decent player but the absolute most I'd trade for him is a 2nd.

Ottawa is not going to let Montreal net two 1st round picks for Monahan.

Try again.

Oh yes they are, our gm is not as bad as yours. Please keep this in mind.

Maybe he will have to add a pick but we are getting another first for Monahan without a doubt.

Will you bet on that I'd put money they can't get a first round pick

Ok then

lol Dorion added a single 2nd rounder to the same package the Habs gave up for Kirby Dach and instead got a 40 goal scorer in Alex DeBrincat, and dumped 2 years of Matt Murray at $4.687M for a fraction of what Calgary paid the Habs to take an extra $1.5M of Sean Monahan. The Sens aren't great yet, but going around saying that they've got a bad GM just shows that you haven't really being paying attention to what's been going on outside of Quebec

Dach is outplaying DeBrincat and has more team control, Matt Murray would be their best goaltender, many people were praising Dorion for the moves he made, yet his team is still last in the division and only CBJ is worse in the East. When Dorion makes a good move he always follows with a an equally bad move. He's not a really good GM but he had some luck.

My opinion is that Dorion is the worst GM in the league but even he wouldn't do that

He probably can't even make trades anymore as the team is about to be sold




This time I agree with you!

He made good moves and some splashes that got the attention but I have an extremely long list of small mistakes (and some big) that kinda ruins everything. And he thought he could go anywhere with that coaching staff lol

You and me? Agreeing on something? That's curious lol. I don't think he's bad, because Melnyk's cheap nature probably caused more harm that isn't obvious at first glance and it probably limited a bunch of good trade options over the years. He deserves some credit for Norris and although he was more of a throw-in prospect in the deal, it would be easy to discredit all GMs who had good players fall into their baskets like Montreal GM who wanted Glass but VGK gave them suzuki instead. But again, whenever he makes big splashes they're canceled by other moves ; Duchene trade. I think Dorion is middle of the pack and maybe even trending upward, but he's iffy at times like when he said the rebuild was over. He should do something with the coaching staff too.

haha, we could agree more on other subjects than hockey too. As rival fans, there's always a bit of tension

I have started criticizing Dorion after the Zibanejad trade and haven't been able to stop. At first I thought it was mostly because of Melnyk and his ways but then we have seen Dorion make a lot of mistakes that were not money related...

It would be very long to explain but IMO Dorion just doesn;t have it. He lacks foresight and is a terrible asset manager. Remember he let Anthony Duclair walk for nothing? Or traded a 2nd for a cap dump in Derek Stepan? etc etc etc

The rebuild is over comment is not over, it's more lip service to sell tickets

How much of this do you think is on the coaching staff? I know the "on paper" caveat always applies, but man...the Senators looked markedly improved this offseason, and I can't believe that a bad 3rd D pair is what sunk them this far. You can shelter a bad/young pair, you can play a mediocre 4th line 7 minutes a night, but a team with this top 6 (and a pretty good 3rd line too!) can't be this bad, can it??

This coaching staff just can't play 2-way hockey to save their life. Either they're good offensively and really bad defensively, or they sacrifice offense to not be horrible defensively. There is no structure, they can't implement efficient defensive hockey systems

The top-6 is much better than last year but Norris injury hurt a lot. With Pinto replacing him in the top-6, the bottom-6 becomes really awful :

Motte-Brassard-Joseph
Kelly-Kastelic-Watson

Kelly and Watson should be 13th forwards (same with Gambrell)
Brassard and Motte should be 4th liners
Only Joseph and Kastelic are slotted properly (and they're not more than average at their position)


This is Dorion's work

We could have had Paul-Pinto-Brown but they decided to not pay Paul (but finally paid Joseph who is faster but not nearly as good)

Brown didn't like to see Paul traded, learned that they wouldn't give him the money he wants so wanted to be traded too

So Dorion traded Brown for a 2nd this summer AFTER we learned about the TC scandal and possible Formenton's involvement. The right play would have been to keep Brown...


The defense is much improved vs last year.

Chabot is Chabot, Zub is Zub
Sanderson is a MAJOR add, he looks fantastic already
Brannstrom keeps pogressing, he's turning into quality
Hamonic is ok-ish, Sanderson carries him into respectability
Holden is not as good as last season but he doesn't have a role as big as last season
Zaitsev is even worse

There is no reason for the defense to struggle, outside of overall team defense and structure (that's on coaching staff)

Edmonton declines. You'll have to retain 50% on Anderson and add your unprotected 2023 1st just to get Holland to stop laughing.

Dreger said yesterday Habs are probably getting more for Edmundson than they did with Chiarot.

Monahan will be traded to a contender, not Ottawa. Another year wasted for the Sens.

I hope MTL wouldn't give Evans and Kidney for a 10-15 position jump in the draft.

Anderson for Holloway is fair, but dumping Barrie would cost something too. MTL could take Puljujarvi as a free cap dump instead.

MTL have to give a top 10 unprotected 2023 1st to dump Anderson AND retain 50% of his salary. Noted.

That comment will look awful when he is traded for something. Like most of your comments.

Your Pick was un the top 10, ours wasnt. Different type of players and Thys values.

DeBrincat is about to sign a big Contract. Dach is way cheaper but has a lot of potential. Lucky for both of us, hawks made horrible trades.

I also dont feel getting and trading Murray was a good move when considering timing... Leafs seem happy tonhave him.

Lol, unprotected first for 2023.

I am a big fan of Holloway, Do you feel the Oilers would be ready to trade him? What would be a realistic Return? i dont really care about Barrie, I added him for cap reasons..

If you want a top prospect and a 50 point defenseman coming back, that's the deal.

Of course not. If you want him you have to overpay, otherwise Holland isn't even picking up the phone.

Barrie is playing the best 2-way hockey of his career and is once again on pace for ~50 points. Anderson is a cap dump. You are very, very far from reality with your offer.

I prefer that the habs try to Trade their players to teams un the east contending to make the playoffs. This is to reduce the chances for the Panthers to make the PO as we have their unprotected first. i still think the sens could make them and Monahan would help them as he is a center de and a good vet.

I dont mind Evans, he is one between many. I dont see Kidney making it as a top two center. I think je is going to struggle at the next level even if he has a high iq. I am a fan of Cuylle, but as you Said, maybe it's not enough to Cover the 10 15 spots. But again, we are helping a team in the east making the PO.

Barrie was included to make it work for the cap, but I have to agree, he is not a dump and value wise, something needs to ne added on mtl

Everyone knows Barrie is a cap dump. Holloway isn't a top prospect anymore.

Like i said, you think trading Anderson would cost MTL their 2023 unprotected 1st. Noted.

I'll see you when he is traded for something of value. We'll see what's your answer then. That'll be fun.

Holloway is absolutely Edmonton's top prospect, and Barrie is far from a cap dump. Where else can you find a 50 point RHD who wins his minutes year-in, year-out for just $4.5M x 1? To suggest that he's a cap dump, while simultaneously suggesting that Josh Anderson is worthy of a great return is astonishingly biased.


If you want Edmonton's top prospect AND their puck-moving, 50 point defenseman in return then that's the price just to get Holland to stop laughing.

You're being deliberately obtuse with your responses here.

Have a great day.

Yeah sorry, 3 points in 19 games doesn't cut it in MTL as a top prospect. Maybe it does in Edmonton. Ylonen had 5 points in 14 games last year, and isn't on the team this year.

No one wants Barrie, he's a 50 points mess, not a 50 points defenseman. But many insiders are saying many teams are interested in Anderson. I trust them over you.