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Blow it up and Suck Hard for Bedard

Créé par: FunkBoy2
Équipe: 2022-23 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 15 nov. 2022
Publié: 15 nov. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Who knows if these are even lol but I’m not a Canucks fan, they just need a rebuild badly
Transactions
1.
VAN
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
  3. Robertson, Nicholas
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
Toronto isn’t using Robertson, and have wanted to trade Kerfoot for years. They get an Actual 2LW/RW for Nylander & JT. Engvall clears cap space
TOR
  1. Boeser, Brock
  2. Schenn, Luke
Détails additionnels:
Canucks might need to retain some salary here, but they sell high on Schenn, get a young forward with a lot of potential, a pick, and a couple of warm bodies
2.
VAN
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (COL)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (COL)
Détails additionnels:
COL gets a replacement for Kadri to help their repeat bid
COL
  1. Horvat, Bo
Détails additionnels:
Sad for them to trade their captain, but a good move to get back assets
3.
VAN
  1. Lysell, Fabian
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (BOS)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
Bruins continue their all in push to squeeze one last cup out of the old guard
BOS
  1. Garland, Conor
Détails additionnels:
A tough choice to get rid of Garland, but they need to restock the cupboard with picks and prospects
4.
VAN
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
Détails additionnels:
Nice forward for EDM middle 6
EDM
  1. Kuzmenko, Andrei
Détails additionnels:
Nice pickup this offseason nets them a pick
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15 nov. 2022 à 14 h 54
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TOR hasn't wanted to trade Kerfoot for years, fans on here want him gone because of his cap hit. There's a difference.
15 nov. 2022 à 15 h 3
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Horvat wants 8x8 Colorado can't afford him once they sign both Byram and Newhook.
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15 nov. 2022 à 15 h 19
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Quoting: HockeyIsMyPassion61
Horvat wants 8x8 Colorado can't afford him once they sign both Byram and Newhook.

Then he would just be a rental. It’s a steep price, but we’ve seen it work out before with teams like Tampa.
15 nov. 2022 à 15 h 33
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Then he would just be a rental. It’s a steep price, but we’ve seen it work out before with teams like Tampa.


Not true. What pure rental did Tampa pay that price for? Wasn’t Coleman. Wasn’t Hagel.
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Not true. What pure rental did Tampa pay that price for? Wasn’t Coleman. Wasn’t Hagel.

Coleman was a very similar price, as well as Goodrow. Hagel doesn’t seem like a rental at this point. I know those guys had a couple years on their contract, but point is they were never going to be resigned. Teams pay firsts for rentals all the time.
15 nov. 2022 à 15 h 41
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Leafs will give you a 3rd for Kuzmenko
15 nov. 2022 à 15 h 56
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Leafs will give you a 3rd for Kuzmenko


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15 nov. 2022 à 16 h 10
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Teams generally don’t give up their best prospect+ for a third line addition.
15 nov. 2022 à 16 h 46
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Coleman was a very similar price, as well as Goodrow. Hagel doesn’t seem like a rental at this point. I know those guys had a couple years on their contract, but point is they were never going to be resigned. Teams pay firsts for rentals all the time.


They weren’t rentals. Coleman had another year, Goodrow had another year, Horvat would be a half season rental. COL says no all day long.
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16 nov. 2022 à 8 h 13
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I like the responses to this post lol
16 nov. 2022 à 8 h 15
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Teams generally don’t give up their best prospect+ for a third line addition.


Oh come on, Garland is at least a 2nd liner
16 nov. 2022 à 8 h 18
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You could certainly get more for Kuzmenko, teams would line up for a player of his cap hit and quality.
16 nov. 2022 à 8 h 19
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You could certainly get more for Kuzmenko, teams would line up for a player of his cap hit and quality.


I’ll be honest, I wasn’t sure what his value would be, since he’s only played like 15 NHL games. I just didn’t want to put something that seemed too outrageous lol
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16 nov. 2022 à 8 h 21
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I’ll be honest, I wasn’t sure what his value would be, since he’s only played like 15 NHL games. I just didn’t want to put something that seemed too outrageous lol


That's fair. I see him as getting a second + decent prospect from a team at the deadline, as long as he continues to score at a reasonable pace. For example, something like a 2nd + Brent Johnson from Washington.
16 nov. 2022 à 10 h 31
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Oh come on, Garland is at least a 2nd liner


Sure. On most teams. On boston he’s a third line addition based on the following four wingers being clearly ahead of him - Taylor Hall, Jake Debrusk, Brad Marchand, David Pastrnak.

I said he’s a third line addition because he’s an addition to the bruins third line.
16 nov. 2022 à 10 h 32
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Coleman was a very similar price, as well as Goodrow. Hagel doesn’t seem like a rental at this point. I know those guys had a couple years on their contract, but point is they were never going to be resigned. Teams pay firsts for rentals all the time.


All three of those guys had term. By definition, that makes them not a rental.
17 nov. 2022 à 8 h 49
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Sure. On most teams. On boston he’s a third line addition based on the following four wingers being clearly ahead of him - Taylor Hall, Jake Debrusk, Brad Marchand, David Pastrnak.

I said he’s a third line addition because he’s an addition to the bruins third line.


You make a good point. I personally think that he could challenge Debrusk for that final spot, but even if not, that would give the Bruins a really scary lineup if you have Garland on the third line. Garland-Coyle-Zacha would be a really, really scary third line, one better than a lot of teams second lines. Idk, I think I’d go for it while you still have Bergy and Krejci.
17 nov. 2022 à 9 h 21
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All three of those guys had term. By definition, that makes them not a rental.


Okay, fair, but then let’s look at some true rentals that have gotten similar prices at the past 3 trade deadlines:
- Giroux to FLA got a first and a prospect
- Jarnkrok to CGY got a 2nd, 3rd, and 7th
- Chariot to FLA got a 1st, 4th, and a prospect
- Copp to NYR got a 1st, 2nd, 5th, and a player
- Foligno to TOR got a 1st, and 2 4ths
- Savard to TBL got a 1st and a 3rd
- Athanisiou to EDM got 2 2nds
- Toffoli to VAN got a 2nd, 4th, player, and prospect
And none of those players re-signed with that team. There is a precedent for teams doing this.
17 nov. 2022 à 12 h 20
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You make a good point. I personally think that he could challenge Debrusk for that final spot, but even if not, that would give the Bruins a really scary lineup if you have Garland on the third line. Garland-Coyle-Zacha would be a really, really scary third line, one better than a lot of teams second lines. Idk, I think I’d go for it while you still have Bergy and Krejci.


I’m not saying garland wouldn’t be a good addition, but teams don’t give up their best prospect to fix the third line.

Also, the value is pretty significantly off.
17 nov. 2022 à 12 h 21
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Okay, fair, but then let’s look at some true rentals that have gotten similar prices at the past 3 trade deadlines:
- Giroux to FLA got a first and a prospect
- Jarnkrok to CGY got a 2nd, 3rd, and 7th
- Chariot to FLA got a 1st, 4th, and a prospect
- Copp to NYR got a 1st, 2nd, 5th, and a player
- Foligno to TOR got a 1st, and 2 4ths
- Savard to TBL got a 1st and a 3rd
- Athanisiou to EDM got 2 2nds
- Toffoli to VAN got a 2nd, 4th, player, and prospect
And none of those players re-signed with that team. There is a precedent for teams doing this.

Kind of moving the goal posts regarding the conversation. I never commented on the value of the trade, just the comps.
 
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