I think you underrated how good Spence is. I doubt they swap picks to drop spots. It would likely be a trade with depth picks going one way or the other. Also I'm not sure if Brannstrom is the type of player they are looking for, I was told they are looking more for a big physical type of LHD.

This is a complete misread on Brannstrom value

I like Spence a lot (which is why i included him here) but he hasnt been given a shot and is stuck in the minors so i question how much trade value he actually holds. Adding to that with LAs other prospects coming up he really doesnt have a spot on their team long term and so i think he could be moved

15 spots in the mid round of the 1st isnt that much value actually. I have Branstrom basically as another 2nd (mid round ish) going to LA value wise

its plenty of value considering spence is more valuable than brannstrom himself.

Okay thats a bit much

He could and should be moved or else given his chance. But this isn't the type of package he would be moved for, likely they would include him in a package to acquire a significant upgrade to their team. I also think they would prefer to move other players ahead of him like Walker.

Also personally I would take Spence over Brannstrom but that's just me.

I mean LAs D core for the future is Doughty, Roy, Clarke right?
Thats Durzi and Walker who need to be moved just for Spence to be the 7th d.

Anyway i wont claim to be able to directly compare EB to JS but id wager the kid in the nhl is probably better.

Fit might be a legit concern but idk what LA wants.


Anyway the whole point of this is to get Cam Allen which would need a mid round pick, so as i said in the trade lets swap Spence for a late 3rd.

Hows that look?

Don't forget about Grans. They have a stupid amount of RHD right now and they already traded Faber. Honestly I just don't think LA is in a position to trade first round picks unless it's for something substantial. Also Spence had 24 games in the NHL last season and looked good with good numbers. But if your whole point is to get a mid first that might be a tough ask for any of the teams that are in that position since they could win the lottery and move up 10 spots. Even saying to do it at draft time I still think any team in that position is going to hold onto that pick unless the return is substantial. From Ottawa that would mean Norris, Debrincat, Chabot, Sanderson, Pinto, Stuetzle or Batherson and there is no way Ottawa should be trading any of those players, unless they can't come to a reasonable long term agreement with Debrincat.

The issue there though, is that if Spence doesn't have a spot, why would Branny, and why would they drop 15+ spots to do it?

LHD vs RHD. LA is very short on the former and has an absurd number of the latter even after trading Faber

Yeah this is more a draft day thing which is why i specified that the pick would be 13-18. This isnt meant to be a long shot at 1 or 2.
And after the top 10 ish the draft becomes a little more normal so for the right players picks should be available. LA is trying to win now and a prospect at 15 wont help for 3+ years

But also Brannstrom doesn't really help them in the win now mode either. They would probably prefer someone more established and likely better.

Perhaps, but Brannstrom is more in line with their other players in their young core. If they like the upside it could make sense.

Anyway as i said, this is about getting Ottawa a mid 1st without trading the pieces you mentioned. Maybe its not possible

Sure, but a package of Spence+1st brings you back a better LD than Brannstrom...You're litterally downgrading the talent on your team + dropping significantly in a ridiculously good draft to get a guy that *might* have something, but needs to pop. Also important to remember that Bjornfoot is in the AHL, and is a comparable option to Branny, without moving anything.

Meh, Ottawa getting a mid-1st round pick seems pretty unlikely...If they continue to sink, their trade chips at the deadline aren't much more than depth pieces (ie. Watson/Motte/Brassard/Hamonic/Holden/Talbot). Dorion went all in, and if this doesn't work, he's going to have to take a massive hack again, which is pretty dangerous. I think it's far more likely that they double down and add someone, rather than hunt for picks.

Its not a package of Spence and a 1st.
Its trading down 15 slots in the mid 1st

Im trying to find a long term solution to RHD issues. Not a lot can be done with that otherwise and they will be screwed in this window

a mid second and a high second for Jordan Spence and a first round pick is a pretty miserable trade for the kings

I don't think Spence carries much value (im estimating about a late 3rd).
By pick value that puts the trade only slightly in OTTS favour. Mid to late 1st arent valuable at all

mid to late first round picks are as valuable as they draft they exist in, and this is one of the deepest first rounds the nhl has ever seen (as of right now)

Ehh, deep doesnt really cover the mid to late round. Its the top 10 thats crazy deep

it is not worth it to do a prospect deep dive in the comments of an acgm with just one move, but i promise that it is more than just the top ten thats so deep this year.

It might be a good draft but once you get to 15 ish it really doesnt matter year over year

Sure, but you're downgrading on talent at the cost of a mid 1st, just to say "oh hey, now we've got the 3LD position covered!". It's poor asset management. I mean, take out Spence, and look at it this way... *if* the Kings were picking 15th, and the Sens were picking early in the 2nd, and you added Brannstrom, I would still have a hard time believing that the Kings would even do that.

Consider that the cost for 11OA last year, in what is perceived as a much lower caliber draft, Arizona paid 27OA+35OA+45OA.