No one is trading for a guy that has no timeline for a return to the ice. Regardless of value, Kylington is worth nothing in a trade right now.

I'm amused that you think that LA adds in a Kylington for Moore swap.

LA will send you Austin Wagner for the hope that Kylingotn recovers enough to play.

Not our top-6 winger. And a pick.

Yikes.

Kylington is worth a 1st round pick if he played like he did last season.

The fact that you think Los Angeles would have to add a draft pick in a trade of Trevor Moore for an invalid, plus the thought that you would play him at RW, plus the idea that you would be getting him to play on the third line, reveals to me that you don't know who Trevor Moore is.

In what respect is Kylington superior to Sean Walker, who has more points in the same number of games, or Sean Durzi, who has two-thirds as many points in less than half as many games?


IF, my friend. If.

On the other hand, IF his injury is as severe as that suffered by Oscar Klefbom, who was a far better player . . .

Moore is worth more than a 1st round pick if he plays like he did last season. He was the Kings single-best player for most of the year.

What makes you guys think or believe Kylington is injured!?

He's not out because of injury, we just don't have a timeline for his return.

As far as I'm aware, injured reserve designations are monitored by team and league doctors. So him just being on IR would indicate an injury of some sort. Maybe that's just LTIR though? As a Calgary fan, you would definitely have more insight. I'm just going off of what's coming from a google search of "Oliver Kylington news".

Kylington & Moore have both really only had 1 Good Season, so their value shouldn't be far off considering both are on good contracts and Kylington has 1 more year of term, but Moore is likely more valuable and would cost more, so the 3rd at a minimum would be going the other way.

It'd actually be much easier & cheaper to acquire Alex Iafallo as Moore is substantially Better Defensively. LAK have Moore as a 2nd liner and Iafallo as a 3rd liner now.

I think it's a Good Trade idea & fit though, Moore would be a Great addition on the Flames if LAK were willing to part with him. LAK could certainly use a Top-4 LD, which Kylington would be for them. Having fellow Swede Alex Edler to groom Kylington would be good as well. Walker & Durzi are both RD's and LAK should Trade Walker who is terrible defensively imo and who knows whether he's recovered 100% from his knee injury from last season

Kylington's apparently out for personal reasons. The only thing we have been told is it's a family issue and to respect his privacy

Moore is listed as a RW/LW, so can obviously play either side. He's very similar to Dillon Dube actually

Kylington >> Walker who can't play defense

I consider Kylington to be more valuable than Durzi since Kylington is much better 5on5, has a Better Shot % and received less Ice and PP Time. Most of Durzi's points come from the Power Play. Look at Kylington's +/- stats compared to Walker & Durzi too

One is an LD and the other an RD, yet both can play either side. LAK would be a better team with Kylington imo

That's arguable at best.. Kylington is on a contract the walks him right to UFA without buying any years, anywhere he signs has a really good shot at losing him for nothing after next season. He was a good middle pairing d man with with one of the best defensive D men in the league, the playoffs without Tanev were uuuuuggggllllyyyy for Kylington. Teams that would pay a first for a season and a bit of a second pairing D man would be looking to compete for the playoffs, teams in the playoff hunt probably look for a plug and play second pairing guy as opposed to someone who needs sheltered minutes. Kulak got a middling prospect and a conditional 2nd. Kylington shouldn't get much more.

It never ceases to amaze me that some Flames fans speak of Kylington like he's the second coming of Alex Romanov or even Mikhail Sergachev and is worth a first-round draft pick, but trade him in every one of their ACGMs. And saying that Trevor Moore and Oliver Kylington each "had one good year" is like saying that Corey Perry and Jeff Skinner each had one good year -- yeah, but one was a LOT gooder than the other.

Flames fans will perpetually over value their young guys that come through the system. It's what happens when a team drafts good middle 6 talent consistently and the farm system lacks any serious punch. Hell, people are wound up about Matthew Phillips.. There are posts from last year about wanting Treliving fired because GLEN GAWDIN got put on waivers. Every new toy is the next best thing because the Flames are always a bottom 10 system in the league and there's nothing to really latch onto in terms of up and comers. Pelletier, Zary, Schwindt are all guys that should make the NHL and make the Flames better, do they project any better than the middle 6? Ehhh not really. Coronato and Wolf are as close as it gets to blue chip at this point.
Kylington is a good D man, no one is arguing that, he's a great piece to package and get a good top 6 winger, but his contract makes him ireleevant to teams that are rebuilding because he's gone after next season and good teams that are competing aren't moving top 6 wingers... paired with his contract and not playing for who knows how long. Don't expect anything for him this season.

How is 3 Points and +5 Terrible, Kylington was arguably the best CGY Defensemen in the Playoffs last season:

Hanifin 1 Point -11
Andersson 6 Points -10
Gudbranson 1 Point -1
Tanev 1 Point +3

Stone is another underrated defensemen who had 5 Points and was a +6 in 9 Playoff Games, he's actually replicated the same 5 Points and +6 already this season in just 8 Games

Like give these guys some credit. You guys act like Tanev is the only reason for Kylington's success, as if Kylington had nothing to do with BOTH of their successes last season

Picking up Kylington with 2 years on his contract is a great opportunity to try him out to ensure he's a fit before signing him long-term. He can be extended as early as next off-season. It's the other Team's job to ensure they re-sign him or move him to get assets back. He doesn't have to be lost for nothing and RFA's are playing hardball only signing bridge contracts to force themselves to Free Agency, which is exactly what Kylington has done as he's gambling on himself to replicate what he's already done and prove he's a Top-4 NHL D-Man so he can get the Big Bucks in 2025 onward

He's worth a mid-to late 1st or Two Decent 2nd for sure, he's much more valuable than Kulak

Your assessment is off and I continue to disbelieve you are a Flames Fan or know the Flames very well

Romanov has Better Size for the NHL and should eventually be better than Kylington, but Romanov hasn't done much yet and certainly isn't better than Kylington (who's a couple years ahead of him) yet or right now anyways

Who would you rather have, Weegar or Kylington? Right, Weegar! So the reason why we keep pitching him as Trade Bait is because Kylington has become expendable and once he returns has Good Trade Value, it's that simple.

Moore's first 2 seasons weren't impressive, his 3rd was okay, but last season (his 4th) was Really Good and he's continued that play so far this year. Kylington's pretty much the same, nothing special in his first 2 seasons, he only got 8 games in his 3rd and then had a really good 4th season. Oh and don't forget Forwards typically peak younger and D-Men later and Kylington is 2 years younger than Moore too. Kylington would likely be continuing his success this season if not for family matters

Not sure how Corey Perry and Jeff Skinner are comparable or relatable to my point at all whatsever

I get you're trying to score points and be friendly with OldNYIFan, but you aren't even a Flames fan.... You don't know Flames fans and you certainly don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the Flames, their Players or Prospects. All you do is bash the Flames, their Fans and their Players and Prospects on this forum.

You don't know how long Kylington will be out for and LAK is not a rebuilding team, but if they want any chance of being successful come playoff time, they'll need to improve their defense. Maybe they can source that elsewhere, but if they want Kylington who's a Great Pick Up at a Great Cap Hit, they'll have to offer something CGY needs and can use, like a decent Top-9 Forward. They should try to re-sign Moore, but if that fails, LAK are the ones most likely at risk of losing a Pending UFA for nothing if they don't

Gawdin was given 9 Games to prove himself and wasn't able too. He was 27.3% on the FaceOff Dot last season, you think Fans want Treliving fired over demoting him down to the Minors. Give Your Head A Shake. Flames are obviously in need of a more offensive Top-9 Forward and Matthew Phillips has only been rewarded with 1 Regular Season Game. How can you say he was given a fair opportunity out of that when he had 2 High Chance Scoring Opportunities in that game and looked impressive. The only reason he's not being given a chance is because of his Size and Sutter being too stubborn to give young guys opportunities due to his loyalty to dinosaurs like Lewis, who is pretty good for his age, but won't contribute much offensively

Stop pretending to be a Flames Fan or acting like you know anything about the Flames already, because you don't

Hanifin/Andersson played against McDavid and Draisaitl, logged the minutes that needed logging with a top defensive D man out due to injury, or at up PK minutes, you can't be shocked at those stats.. but again... you love your cherry picked stats that you don't like to research or look into at all.

When your giveaway takeaway ratio in the playoffs is 12:4, you aren't helping your team win games in the playoffs. Funny enough his +2 game was playing with Tanev again.. Almost like you can't just go full KinRnR and throw stats out there without context. At this rate Kylington may not play this season. If he's moved then he's only one season and POSSIBLY a hand full of games, if he's truly betting on himself like you said, why would he not use next season as an audition for the open market and get away from a rebuilding team that acquires him? You see you have to think beyond your insane home bias to see how these things work out long term.

I can't imagine you think saying I'm not a Flames fan resonates with me in any way? You have repeatedly just spew absolute nonsense on here. You consistently see people stopping interactions with you or just all together ignoring you because it's impossible to teach stupid. And when they're not ignoring you they're whipping you over the head with thought out arguments. It's endless, I admire you persistence in the face of getting booted around this website, that's as close as a good thing as I can say about your presence here.

Keep your thoughts in one reply sweet heart.

I am one of the only ones fact checking and using stats to support my position and arguments here. Most ppl on this forum, like yourself, talk as if every word they spew is true without ever backing it up and you're so narrow sighted, you refuse to be open to other thoughts, ideas or opinions. You're very closed minded

You have no idea, proof or evidence whatsoever to suggest how long Kylington will be out; nobody knows, you're simply throwing out random and wild guesses at this point

Just because ppl don't agree with you doesn't mean they're stupid, maybe instead of being so full of yourself and stubborn in your beliefs you should consider listening and learning something from others once in awhile. It's guys like you that make things less enjoyable around here with your constant bashing, name calling, insults and finding others to gang up on those who don't hold the same beliefs as you, as that's your only way of debating or discussing things is to get on the offensive. I have nothing to learn or take away from guys like you, so if things end, it's simply me choosing to not waste my energy with ppl like you anymore, but in this case, I felt like standing up for @CrazySteveC since you're doing the same to him as you do to others who don't share your mindset, which is rather pathetic.

Because I don’t overvalue a bad prospect system I am closed minded? Got it. Funny how again, everyone else is wrong but you.. might be time to take a look at that.

But your stats mean nothing without context.. you’ve ignored that again.
Stats and scenarios you ignored cause you’re too busy crying and stroking off flames prospects:
- Kylington was a turnover machine
- Kylington was horrible without Tanev in the Oilers series, look at the game logs
- Hanifin and Andersson had lesser stats because they were covering a ton of minutes that needed to be filled against two of the top 5 players in the world
- You said Kylington is betting on himself, but would sign long term when he’s moved and not go to UFA.. to take know.. bet on himself.
- Kylington is literally in pace to play 0 games, hence the saying “on track”. If he comes back it will take time as he’s missed a whole training camp and a month of the season. Hence “one season and POSSIBLY a handful of games”
- etc etc etc

CrazySteve can take care of himself. He’s getting feedback on a post, he’s a big boy who can handle that I’m sure. People having realistic conversations on here make it enjoyable, you double down on stupid point and throw numbers you don’t understand at people.

If CGY has such a poor prospect system, why were the Heat so good last season!?

I imagine losing your Defense Partner would be a very difficult adjustment, yet Kylington didn't completely implode. Hanfin & Andersson are the ones who should be held accountable. I'm sure Kylington faced those 2 Players as well and obviously did better against them, where do we find those stats!?

Kylington has all the way until next seasons Trade Deadline to prove himself to get a good long-term contract, possibly until the Draft. Free Agency is a gamble and you don't always end up getting more. Just ask guys like Milano and Kadri who were both likely expecting more than they got in the end

I never said I'm perfect and never wrong, it's your insults like saying I'm crying or stroking off flames prospects or calling me stupid that I take offense too and am taking a stance against. Overall, it's clear to me you're not a very good person... might be time to take a look at that

Well, if there's one thing that will establish beyond a reasonable doubt what you know and don't know about hockey, it's the implied contention that these figures show that Kylington and Stone were somehow, even for one playoff series, superior to Andersson and Hanifin. The inevitable logical conclusion from that position is that some idiot would therefore prefer to have that duo instead of either Hanifin or Andersson -- which is without a doubt the silliest thing I've seen suggested on CapFriendly.

You can make up whatever interpretation or conclusion you like to fit your narrative, but I never once said or suggested that whatsoever, so that conclusion is completely on you

The fact you feel the need to call ppl idiots though leads me to the inevitable logical conclusion that it takes one to know one

The fact you two cant help trashing & insulting ppl who don't share the same mindset as you tells us all we need to know about you two

AHL goalie of the year, good NHL middle 6 prospects that aren’t good enough to graduate to the NHL and 14 20+ point guys, 5 of which were veterans or not with the club anymore, least scored against team in the leagues.. crazy again what context does.

So who is trading for a guy with no timeline to play, walks in two years if he doesn’t like the team and what do the Flames get in the way of helping their window now? He’s not a good asset for rebuilding teams and competitive teams are not moving pieces the Flames would want for him.

Hey, way to take a stance, doesn’t change anything about how horrible your takes are or how stupid your doubling down is. I promise, I can’t emphasize how little it means to me that you think less of me for telling you how dumb you are.