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Zito being Zito

Créé par: MeetYourMakar
Date de création initiale: 26 août 2022
Publié: 26 août 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Avalanche du Colorado
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I know Lundell is of high value to Panthers but he isn't in the Byram level of prospect. What would it cost to get him? Humor me here
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  1. Hörnqvist, Patric
  2. Lundell, Anton
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  1. Foudy, Jean-Luc
  2. Girard, Samuel
  3. Choix de 2023 ronde en 1e (COL)
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26 août 2022 à 11 h 44
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Lundell is definitely equal to lundell. And Hes definitely not being traded foe this non sense.
26 août 2022 à 11 h 47
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Lundell is definitely equal to lundell. And Hes definitely not being traded foe this non sense.


I agree with you on this. Unfortunately Avs don't have a Lundell to trade for your Lundell. Might a Newhook and Behrens interest you?
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26 août 2022 à 11 h 47
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Lundell is Florida's top prospect, maybe top-2 if you think Knight will be the guy.

I doubt you can get away from trading either Newhook or Byram as an asset but I like the trade you proposed.

A younger prospect, a 1st, a quality NHL defenseman (which Florida could really use) and a cap swap. Honestly really good idea
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26 août 2022 à 11 h 49
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I can't see anyone getting Lundell from Florida but I am having hockey withdrawls so here I am.
26 août 2022 à 11 h 54
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Byram would be the guy, also remember lundell gives avs an extra elc year
26 août 2022 à 12 h 6
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Byram would be the guy, also remember lundell gives avs an extra elc year


That extra year is a big plus for how the Avs extentions fall. Just him n Toews. A do it all top pair Dman of Byrams caliber is worth more than Lundell who will top out as a very good 2c. One worth keeping. I could be talked into a package based off Toews for Lundell deal but Girard has more term.
26 août 2022 à 12 h 7
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That extra year is a big plus for how the Avs extentions fall. Just him n Toews. A do it all top pair Dman of Byrams caliber is worth more than Lundell who will top out as a very good 2c. One worth keeping. I could be talked into a package based off Toews for Lundell deal but Girard has more term.

Toews would for sure need to be extended already
26 août 2022 à 12 h 9
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Lundell is a Byram level prospect
26 août 2022 à 12 h 21
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Lundell is a Byram level prospect


Byram just dominated at the highest level, Lundell struggled in the playoffs I would seriously dispute Lundell is the same level at Byram.
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26 août 2022 à 12 h 22
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Quoting: MeetYourMakar
I agree with you on this. Unfortunately Avs don't have a Lundell to trade for your Lundell. Might a Newhook and Behrens interest you?


Your lundell level prospect is byram. Only person he’d be traded for. I doubt there’s another one for one prospect he’d be traded for right now.
26 août 2022 à 12 h 24
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Byram just dominated at the highest level, Lundell struggled in the playoffs I would seriously dispute Lundell is the same level at Byram.


Lundell had a very good regular season. Byram had 0 goals and 9 points in 20 games in the playoffs. Is that dominating at the highest level?
26 août 2022 à 12 h 26
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Your lundell level prospect is byram. Only person he’d be traded for. I doubt there’s another one for one prospect he’d be traded for right now.


I don't think there is a one for one to be had. Save those for the change of scenery moves. Girard is lower in value than Byram, but that is where the 1st and JLF come in.
26 août 2022 à 12 h 27
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Lundell had a very good regular season. Byram had 0 goals and 9 points in 20 games in the playoffs. Is that dominating at the highest level?


Most ice time in SCF of any dman, was high end defensively if not elite, lead rookies in points(not just defensive rooks) and set up some filthy goals. Ya he owned the playoffs
26 août 2022 à 12 h 28
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26 août 2022 à 12 h 29
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Most ice time in SCF of any dman, leading rookies in points(not just defensive rooks) and setting up some filthy goals. Ya he owned the playoffs.


Lots Icetime but 0 goals and only 9 assists. Thats not dominating unless he got all 9 points in the finals
26 août 2022 à 12 h 31
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Most ice time in SCF of any dman, leading rookies in points(not just defensive rooks) and setting up some filthy goals. Ya he owned the playoffs.


I mean the whole panthers team struggled in playoffs plus he was injured during the playoffs and end of the season. He could of won the Calder if he played the whole year and a 30 year old (I know he’s not 30) was not able to participate in the Calder race.
26 août 2022 à 12 h 34
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I mean the whole panthers team struggled in playoffs plus he was injured during the playoffs and end of the season. He could of won the Calder if he played the whole year and a 30 year old (I know he’s not 30) was not able to participate in the Calder race.


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Lots Icetime but 0 goals and only 9 assists. Thats not dominating unless he got all 9 points in the finals


Coulda Shoulda Woulda. Byram delt with injuries too. He elevated his game n took on top minutes. Lundell got 1 goal.
26 août 2022 à 12 h 37
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I don't think there is a one for one to be had. Save those for the change of scenery moves. Girard is lower in value than Byram, but that is where the 1st and JLF come in.

Foudy does nothing for Florida plus the first rounder is the 32nd pick so it’s a second rounder essentially. The value isn’t close in the trade above.
26 août 2022 à 12 h 38
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Coulda Shoulda Woulda. Byram delt with injuries too. He elevated his game n took on top minutes. Lundell got 1 goal.

I mean look at the team he played on compared. Lundell would of done the same kn that team. He’s put as many point up as kadri playing better defensive game. So you’re argument isn’t really there.
26 août 2022 à 12 h 41
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Humor me here, if Girard was the nhler coming back, what would the add need to be then? I think Foudy is a good mid ceiling prospect(realy creative with elite skating) and its a 23rd 1st, you guys could use 1sts.
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I mean look at the team he played on compared. Lundell would of done the same kn that team. He’s put as many point up as kadri playing better defensive game. So you’re argument isn’t really there.


I dislike this arguement. You cant just put anyone with talent and have them play an ELITE game. He played with EJ who most say is a hack. If it was the case Jost/JTC would have done well. Newhook has similar production to Lundell and wasn't even a guarenteed dress.
What are you talking about? Kadri had way more points in the reg seaosn and playoffs.
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Humor me here, if Girard was the nhler coming back, what would the add need to be then? I think Foudy is a good mid ceiling prospect(realy creative with elite skating) and its a 23rd 1st, you guys could use 1sts.

We dont need the picks. We need to shed cap. Panthers have a few foudy types so nothing there girard is what they need but he’s not a lundell return. There is no return for lundell without byram.
26 août 2022 à 12 h 53
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I dislike this arguement. You cant just put anyone with talent and have them play an ELITE game. He played with EJ who most say is a hack. If it was the case Jost/JTC would have done well. Newhook has similar production to Lundell and wasn't even a guarenteed dress.
What are you talking about? Kadri had way more points in the reg seaosn and playoffs.

And your argument is better? Byram was playing against 3rd and 4th like players until playoffs. Kadri had his first good season. Lundell would of definitely had a similar season in that team. A lot of players could have. Lundell is only growing kadri will never do that again.
26 août 2022 à 14 h 21
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Quoting: Juiceman
Lundell had a very good regular season. Byram had 0 goals and 9 points in 20 games in the playoffs. Is that dominating at the highest level?

Oh you mean leading the Stanley Cup playoffs in 5v5 TOI, or the 60.4 CF 5v5, or leading playoffs in +/-? I know it’s tough to understand the concept of dominating play not using points but it does happen. I mean I know it’s tough not watching playoff hockey but c’mon man.😏
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