For an expiring UFA with no retention? Ya... ok... not happening from any team - not just the Leafs.

The 1st and Liljegren are a good start, Robertson would need to be replaced with a better prospect.

Lol, did you actually make a thread because of this?
Also, nah, they could easily make the trade without any of those pieces

Leafs fans won’t like this though

Yeah because Kerfoot Holl and a second is totally fair right?

Without Liligren, Robertson, and a first, I’m curious about why other pieces the Leafs could possibly offer?

Friendly reminder that the Leafs traded a first round pick for Nick Foligno at the 2021 trade deadline. Nick Foligno had 16 points in 42 games prior to the trade. Nick Foligno only played like 10 games with the Leafs. Surely the difference between 99 points in 81 games is worth a lot more than 16 points in 42 games.

Weird how i didnt say anything like that. But sure here is a trade that the canucks would take instantly without using the op's trade that he INSISTS all peices are needed
2024 1st, sandin, knies and a 2nd
Wow. That was hard!

All your Leafs buddies claim that Knies is untouchable so i assumed he was off the table. Canucks also would likely not be looking to trade for Sandin. They also want a 2023 pick, 2024 won’t cut it

Except the entire point was that, should they want to, the leafs could easily put together a package for miller that didnt include a 2023 1st or liljegren. And i did, very easily.
The canucks would be all over this trade, so yeah, that's the point made right there. It is really very simple

The canucks trades mccan for Gudbranson, that means the leafs could trade muzzin for petterson

Jim Benning is not employed. Dubas still is somehow

Did Patrik Allvin tell you he would be interested in your deal? Curious to why you’re so confident about the Canucks accepting your proposed trade

It's funny how you have almost every Canuck fan on this board telling you the Canucks would not take that trade, and yet you're still insisting they would.

I mean that’s not really relevant at all is it? I’m pretty sure teams don’t negotiate trades that way. “Well you paid a first for a bust player over a year ago and our player is 4 times better so we need 4 times the cost” Just cause one bad trade was made doesn’t mean you make another lol.

Every situation is different.

Facts are:
Millers trade value is less than it was at the 2022 deadline (but still high) if he’s just a rental which he would be for the leafs
They would be like 6 million over the cap after this deal so leafs beed retention/money goes to Vancouver or somewhere else
They don’t have the depth at RD now or in the future to move liligren.
If Vancouver insists on an NHL ready RD in the deal then there is no deal to be made with Toronto.
Millers trade value will continue to decline as the season goes on if it’s clear Vancouver can’t resign him. Still easily get a first and a prospect at the deadline for him. But his value is highest now.

You can probably look at the debrincat deal as kind of comparable. Debrincat is younger and has 2 years of control so I assume has more value than Miller?

A first, second and roberston is probably lots of value.

A first a second and Robertson may be valuable, but not to Vancouver. Canucks are too stacked on wing. Last thing we need is more wingers. There simple is no deal to be made between Leafs and canucks

It's funny how every single canucks fan here simply refuses to understand the point being made

Did he tell you he wouldnt be interested in it? Or are you that confident in the canucks not accepting my proposal?

It's almost like previous trades from yeara ago in totally different scenarios arnt relevant

We understand your point, you're refusing to acknowledge why the Canucks are declining.

It's that EA Franchise Mode quote "You're there value-wise, but you haven't met our trading block at all."

Except the canucks arnt declining, they take my trade and run because they get more value than yours.
Oh, and EA franchise mode is a game, most real gms arnt dumb enough to turn down a trade because the peices arnt the exact same thing they desire and will take more value any day

That trade isn't more valuable. You're ignoring all the points everyone has already made in this thread. The Leafs aren't the only team in on Miller.

The trade really is more valuable, and im not missing the point. Hell the trade i made isnt even the only one i could make that would make my point
2024 1st, 2015 1st, nylander and a 5th
Marner for 50% retained
Knies, sandin, niemela and a 2nd
Etc etc
There are near counltess combinations that the leafs could put together without the 2023 1st and liljegren.
I have no idea why this is so very difficult for you

Did Patrik Allvin tell you himself? You seem awfully confident but I have heard no rumours that the Canucks would be interested in Robertson and a 2024 first type deal. Don’t be so cocky if you know nothing

If you go by that logic, I can say that the Leafs would be interested in trading Nylander for a second round pick. Nobody has confirmed nor denied it. Do you see how flawed your argument is?

I see you grasping at straws, because i put together a valuable package that simply excluded two specific pieces, you made a purposefully bad proposal as a poor attempt to own me.
Do you see how flawed your argument is?