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Quoting: TheAlien

Replace Gruden and Kapanen with a 2nd

As in Marino, 1st, 2nd for Miller half retained? That would be fine, I think the Pens wouldn't have any trouble getting a second back for Kapanen elsewhere anyway so probably wouldn't change much from their perspective

21 juin 2022 à 11 h 33

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Ducks arent giving up any positive value for Zucker and he would not play in our top 6

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21 juin 2022 à 11 h 42

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Ducks arent giving up any positive value for Zucker and he would not play in our top 6

He has scored/been on pace for 40-50 points in 6 of his last 7 seasons. The Ducks had 4 forwards last year even close to that and Getzlaf isn't coming back so who would play over him?

21 juin 2022 à 11 h 45

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Quoting: CHUG

He has scored/been on pace for 40-50 points in 6 of his last 7 seasons. The Ducks had 4 forwards last year even close to that and Getzlaf isn't coming back so who would play over him?

Comtois, Milano, Henrique, McTavish, Steel, Jones, Lundestrom

Zucker is a cap dump, the best ability is availability and he hasnt had that in almost 3 years

The Ducks dont give up anything for him, and probably takes at least a second attached to him for ANA to take his contract

No point in giving top 6 ice time to an injury prone 30 year old in the middle of a rebuild

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21 juin 2022 à 11 h 50

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You'd have to switch the picks in the ANA deal most likely.

Other than that looks good

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21 juin 2022 à 11 h 51

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Dangerous team. Who would you pick with 21 OA?

21 juin 2022 à 12 h 4

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Quoting: Salzy

First, Comtois, Steel and Jones were all on pace for less than 30 points last year, so I'm not sure what makes you think they are top six players and McTavish has 9 games of NHL experience. Secondly, somebody would be willing to move down a couple rounds for a 40 point player on there roster, it doesn't have to be the Ducks, they just seemed like a good fit. Outside of last season Zucker has never missed more than 20 games in a year and the Ducks also need to add some money next year just to get to the cap floor, especially if they end up deciding to move Gibson. Why not add a great mentor for the young players that still has the ability to produce for next to nothing when you already have 9 draft picks every year for the next 3 years anyway? If the Ducks won't do it, there is bound to be a team that see's at least a little value in that.

21 juin 2022 à 12 h 7

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Quoting: JSEB93

You'd have to switch the picks in the ANA deal most likely.

Other than that looks good

How can 1 season of injuries take a players value from a 1st and a pretty solid prospect (Addison, who is playing in the NHL now) to completely negative?

21 juin 2022 à 12 h 12

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Quoting: CHUG

We don't disagree that Zucker has some value to some team. He just doesn't have value to rebuilding teams in general or to us in particular. To put it another way, you guys need to get rid of him more than teams at the bottom of the league need to acquire him.

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21 juin 2022 à 12 h 12

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Quoting: CHUG

it doesn't have to be the Ducks, they just seemed like a good fit.

the Ducks also need to add some money next year just to get to the cap floor

Pittsburgh sure thinks this is a good fit, but pretty much across the board I've never seen anyone on the Anaheim side think the same. I'd rather throw a 5x6 offer at Rakell or make some other trade that makes more sense. Point being, there are lots of ways to add money with so many teams up against the cap.

On top of that the picks here are whacked. ANA's will be in the front half of the round and PIT's will be in the back half. Then you're pushing out the PIT to 2024 for some stupid reason. I put zero value on a 2024 later half 5th (possibly almost a 6th). If by some miracle ANA hits on that pick the kid becomes an NHL player in 2027 *maybe*.

21 juin 2022 à 12 h 16

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How can 1 season of injuries take a players value from a 1st and a pretty solid prospect (Addison, who is playing in the NHL now) to completely negative?

First off it was 2 seasons of injuries.

And because when the Pens traded for him he was a wanted player(not a cap dump) who was extremely healthy and was playing at a 27G, 55p pace.

In two plus seasons with the pens he has constantly been injured and is scoring at a 20g, 41 point pace. And most importantly, it's a cap dump. Everybody knows it - so you actually have to incentivize the other team to take him. Why would the Ducks do the Pens a favor for no reason? A guy they don't want and won't keep and they get a worse pick? It makes no sense.

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21 juin 2022 à 12 h 19

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Quoting: CHAR

It does make sense as long as ANA is getting a good pick and maybe a prospect out of it.

21 juin 2022 à 12 h 19

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Dangerous team. Who would you pick with 21 OA?

If a guy like Kasper or Savoie were to fall, I would be all for one of those guys, but I don't see it happening. If you can't get one of them, I like would like the pens to look at McGroarty or Geekie and get some size and goal scoring up the middle.

21 juin 2022 à 12 h 28

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Quoting: CHUG

First, Comtois, Steel and Jones were all on pace for less than 30 points last year

They are all young and still have potential, You need to do more than look at a stat sheet. And that would still leave Henrique, Lundestrom and Milano so your point still isnt valid

Outside of last season Zucker has never missed more than 20 games in a year

The last two seasons he has missed a combined 59 games, he missed 18 out of 56 last year, wanna talk about pace thats on pace to miss 26 games over a full season

Ducks also need to add some money next year just to get to the cap floor

They dont need to pay a team to do that, teams will pay them to do that or they spend in FA

Why not add a great mentor for the young players that still has the ability to produce for next to nothing when you already have 9 draft picks

The Ducks already have veterans in place, having alot of high picks is not a reason to give picks away for no reason

This trade legitimately only helps PIT, it accomplishes only negative for ANA

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21 juin 2022 à 12 h 28

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How can 1 season of injuries take a players value from a 1st and a pretty solid prospect (Addison, who is playing in the NHL now) to completely negative?

Because cap space and contracts matter that much. Your whole roster is contingent on getting rid of Zucker, Pettersson and the retention from Vancouver on Miller. Do you think Anaheim and Detroit don't know these facts?

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21 juin 2022 à 12 h 31

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How can 1 season of injuries take a players value from a 1st and a pretty solid prospect (Addison, who is playing in the NHL now) to completely negative?

Its been over two season now, and his production has taken a nose dive and he cant stay healthy.

If hes so valuable why dont you keep him in PIT?

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21 juin 2022 à 12 h 32

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He only missed like 15 games the year before, which is not great I guess, but not half a season like this year. A 20 goal 40 point pace is above average for a second line winger. I get that it is a cap dump, but he still has value as a player so there would potentially be more than 1 team who would take him. It's not like the Ducks are the only option.

21 juin 2022 à 12 h 50

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Its been over two season now, and his production has taken a nose dive and he cant stay healthy.

If hes so valuable why dont you keep him in PIT?

I'm not saying he's worth the 5.5 he's payed, I'm just saying I don't think he has negative value. He's scored at an above average second line winger pace his entire career until last years injuries. If Anaheim doesn't want him, maybe a team like Arizona, Detroit or Seattle would give a 5th or something to add a 20 goals to their team. I could also retain like 2.5 million on his deal and just not sign Mikheyev and have a young guy take his spot on the 3rd line.

21 juin 2022 à 12 h 56

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Quoting: CHUG

It was a shortened season two years ago too though don't forget. If you extrapolate that over an 82 game season it's the equivalent of playing 55 games. Is that really above average for a 2nd line winger? So that means the average 2nd line winger is scoring like 30-35 points? Seems low for a top 6 forward but I don't have anything to back that up.

I think he's still a solid winger when healthy and I like the way he plays. But you have to see this from the Ducks POV - why would they take on a middle line winger with injury problems for one year(they know they aren't going to resign him) and get a worse pick? It doesn't make any sense. What is in it for them? It's just a straight gift for the Pens. And Zucker has a NTC so there aren't really a lot of options unless he's super nice and doesn't put any teams on his list. Either way, no matter what team you trade him for you're going to have to give up a pick or a prospect or both. It doesn't affect your final roster, we're just saying you need to give up more to get rid of him.

21 juin 2022 à 12 h 57

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Quoting: CHUG

I would be shocked is Kasper, teemu, or savoie dropped. Mcgroarty is a very good realistic option tho

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21 juin 2022 à 13 h 6

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https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/analysis/2015/5/31/8693313/first-line-nhl-production-analysis
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2011/9/27/2452941/common-misconceptions-how-much-should-that-forward-score

These are from a few years back and goal scoring has gone up a bit since these were done, but would still put him in the average to above average category. It really wouldn't be a huge deal just giving up a 4th or 5th to move him, I just thought someone would be willing to give up a mid to late round pick to add a fairly good player.

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21 juin 2022 à 13 h 8

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Detroit accepts, if you drop the 7th.

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