I think it's great that there are zero Ducks fans on here making Gibson trades, but there's a wholllllle lot of Leafs fans (and others) that are, and then they're following it up with "bUt He SuKs BeCaUsE hOcKeY-rEfErEnCe SaId So!", even though they've never actually watched a Ducks game (not good), how the team defends (not well), and who the players are around him (Also, not really good).

Just don't trade for him. Quite simple. I'm pretty confident that 99% of Ducks fans on here would happily keep him.

I think it's great that there are zero Ducks fans on here making Gibson trades, but there's a wholllllle lot of Leafs fans (and others) that are, and then they're following it up with "bUt He SuKs BeCaUsE hOcKeY-rEfErEnCe SaId So!", even though they've never actually watched a Ducks game (not good), how the team defends (not well), and who the players are around him (Also, not really good).

Just don't trade for him. Quite simple. I'm pretty confident that 99% of Ducks fans on here would happily keep him.

Feel the same about Gibson. Not sure Husso is the best option, but Gibson is a huge risk. And apparently will cost Nylander, Sandin and a first...... LOL

Acquiring any goalie with term means essentially you're locking that guy in to be the goalie during your next 3-4 years with this core. I'm nervous about doing that with a lot of the available options, Husso included. I might prefer to see the Leafs take a short-term approach (at least for the offseason) and potentially see if they can upgrade next year or during the season. Unless they're able to swing for the fences for somebody like Saros or Hellebuyck. I just don't want to be in the exact position next offseason.

I watch a lot of ducks games... he has stunk. You know it, I know it. Would you like a list of players that cap friendly has gone insane for who thoroughly suck?

Maybe ducks fans would be okay with keeping him. It doesn't make them right. I would say if he wants out and you could get some decent value from a struggling goalie with a large cap hit now is the time.

If you're going to absolutely rob a team I just hope it isn't the leafs.

And his body language is awful after he lets in a goal Toronto media would eat him alive he’s not a fit AT ALL

He still lets in more goals then expected and doesn’t face a tone of shots he’s dropped off a cliff and hasn’t been good in 3 seasons. And I think ur right in the fact most of the leafs fans making the trades for him haven’t watching him play because if they did they wouldn’t want a over paid has been

If you dislike him so much, why bother making a thread about a goalie that you don't like? Is this a public service announcement?

Just informing my fellow leafs fans that he isn’t good

I wouldn’t do that Chicago trade as it is. A 2nd round pick is too high to give back when considering where Toronto is with the cap.

Either change the 2nd to one of our thirds (EDM,TOR) or send a different package of a 2024 2nd round pick + Prospect/pick upgrade.

Thank goodness you're out there to save them from themselves. Dubas should hire you to save him from signing Mrazek for 3 x $3.8 mil after 5/7 seasons as a below league average goalie.

That’s very expensive cap dump if teams are being stingy like that they will just buy him out it only cost 1 million against the cap not bad at all

That’s cool. I get the second option may seem more expensive…But if you are willing to move back one round in this post why wouldn’t you be willing to move back two rounds? The percentages aren’t that much different (of drafting an NHL player) in the late 2nd/late 3rd round.

Need atleast one pick in the first 2 rounds and Dubas has a good track record of drafting in the second round (Knies,Robertson,Hirvonen,Durzi)

Thats a pretty iffy goaltending duo.

The way Ville finished the season, I'm not sure hes the answer and Comrie is average at best. It just seems to be ignoring the most important position and going for cheap options.

The window is now, theres not tons of draft picks this year and only 2-3 prospects look like real difference makers, with the big 4 all hitting UFA in 2-3 yrs, the window (especially for keefe and dubas) is now, so they need probably a better option than ville/comrie

The goalie market is very thin and there will definitely be a bidding war for Kuempers services and when you have 5 players taking up half ur cap it doesn’t leave much else for the rest of ur team

I watch a lot of ducks games... he has stunk. You know it, I know it. Would you like a list of players that cap friendly has gone insane for who thoroughly suck?

Maybe ducks fans would be okay with keeping him. It doesn't make them right. I would say if he wants out and you could get some decent value from a struggling goalie with a large cap hit now is the time.

If you're going to absolutely rob a team I just hope it isn't the leafs.

All Ducks fans know he hasn't been great the last few seasons. But most Ducks fans, including Lenny7, that this isn't just because "he sucks" (not quoting you, just a lot of NHL fans in general). There are multiple factors that influence his stats:
1) Gibson has been misused a lot and overused under Dallas Eakins a lot. Gibson needs a bit more rest than a lot of other Goalies.
2) He did get frustrated rather easily the lsat few seasons which also impacted his overall play. He isn't the same guy once the frustration becomes visible.
3) The team infant of him the last few years made said frustration occur a lot. A lot of great Goalies around the league would get frustrated after playing behind the Ducks defense these last few years.
(4) He also wasn't bad in the first third of the last 3 seasons. His play always regressed shorty after the Ducks as a whole started playing worse. He got frustrated, which should be understandable after now 4 seasons of playing behind one of the league's worst teams.)

I'm not saying Gibson has been great, because he hasn't. But saying he's a bad Goalie is, in my opinion, just not correct, the elite Goaltender is still in him. Put him onto a good team with a locker room with a winning mentality and I'm confident he'll show everyone that.

1. Nhl starters need to handle the workload
2. Nhl starters need to keep their head in check. It is 90% of being a good starter rather than a backup.
3. No argument really. Other than Stolarz was able to put up decent numbers. Good goalies can still shine on bad teams.
4. I checked in on this and it is simply is not true. Maybe 3 years ago you can make an argument but even then it was very marginal.

I don't think I would use the word sucks. But struggling for sure. More goalies don't get it back than do. A change of scenery might might do the trick but maybe a team in a different situation with the luxury of that not being catastrophic should make that move.

Of course they need to handle the workload. But Gibson has been overused regardless of him needing a bit more rest than others. Most other Goalies would've been considered overused too in the same situation, at least that's what I think.

Every starter has to keep their head in check. But they aren't robots. Just because someone shows emotions, that doesn't mean their head isn't in check.

Stolarz was used as a backup. His stats aren't always comparable with Gibson's because of workload and the other factors I mentioned before. Especially since Gibson played great (better than Stolarz) until the all-star break, even though the Ducks' play already regressed quite a bit in the time prior.

21/22:
Nov: .921
Dec: .915
Jan: .944

20/21:
Jan: .920
+first 5 games in Feb: .921

19/20:
Oct: .920

These are Gibson's stats to start the season. The team startet regressing during some of these time periods and his play did so shortly after.

(CF doesn't let me add screenshots so I just typed the stats down)

Ummm... season starts in October. That's why I said you could make a case in 19/20. I could pull a month for mrazek and make him look good. Or just about any goalie for that matter.

I'm not trying to **** on Gibson though. To me he does not have the value he did in 2019 or even 20 or 21. Every year chips away at that value. Players don't lose value as quick as people in cap friendly think, but in some instances they don't retain as long they think when it's someone they like.

My offer, which was just as much as I think the leafs should offer was a 1st 2nd and Woll. With Mrazek being dumped for a 3rd. I'd be willing to add a prospect that Anaheim had use for. Not one named Robertson, knies or niemela.

Now that isn't saying it's s much as they will be offered. Just as much as I think the leafs should be willing to gamble.