You don't see Holl as a positive asset but say you could move him for positive assets, picks. Your own thinking doesn't make sense. If he could be moved for an asset, why would the Leafs be moving him to a team you say doesn't want him?

Paying Matthews Knies to save an extra $1M or so a year would be the dumbest possible thing Dubas could do this off-season.

Not worth it, nevermind.

Well yeah, because we aren't a contending team. But if we were a contending team with a pretty complete roster that needed the cap space more than the assets in order to make key signings, I wouldn't be this against moving a top prospect or a late 1st round pick to get it done.

Not the same comparison. And Bowman absolutely DID do these trades when Hawks were winning. Teravainen with Bickell to Carolina for cap space is a prime example.

If you don't need him, stop creating threads that trade for him, then get annoyed when TOR fans don't bite on your ridiculous prices and ideas.

Simple as that.

This is the funniest damned thing ive seen on this site in a while. Hawks fans and everyone else have like 100 threads a day where they demand leafs assets like 1sts or high end prospects and then whine like this when leafs fans say thats hilarious and their logic is flawed and their examples, like you have in this thread, are paper thin justifications they can use to get those assets.
If the leafs only option to move mrazek in a trade is a premium asset, they'll buy him out. Or move him with a nothing prospect and a 5th for a 4th amd a 7th while retaining a mill for less term than the buy out.
And then trade holl for a positive asset.
Your proposal is terrible and poorly thought out

I only do it in response to the TOR fans trying to get assets from CHI or giving inadequate compensation for taking on their cap dumps every 2 minutes. I don't do it because I actually want Mrazek. And this isn't even my thread.

Honest question, why do other fans take the word of some leafs fans when they say one of their own players is bad, but never when they say the player isnt bad?

I'm not defensive. I'm defending my post. It's text. Maybe you're just reading it wrong.

Literally look at all the TOR ACGM's from just today alone and see how many of them have Holl or Mrazek being dumped on CHI. There are probably at least 10 of them if not more.

QUIT STEALING MY THREAD MAN!

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Marleau was a $6.25 million buyout, given that he did not want to play for Carolina.

The Ritchie deal got the Leafs Lyubushkin back, a rental top-6 Dman, which in itself is probably worth a 3rd. They moved up from a 3rd to a 2nd (which would probably cost you a 4th round pick on draft night) to move Ritchie.

Before getting on to Mrazek, how is it that Holl has value and the Blackhawks could flip him for something, but the Leafs would have to pay to get rid of him?

And on Mrazek: yes he's overpaid. But, he's still a serviceable NHL goalie, playing a position that doesn't have a lot of quality available, has a reasonable buyout, and only 2 years on his contract. The Leafs may have to attach a sweetener to get rid of him, but Knies is pushing it way too far.

I'm saying a majority of fans of TOR seem to think both of them are bad. And I know that from what I have seen I don't want anything to do with either of them. But TOR fans chomping at the bit to get rid of them is just another example of what makes them cap dumps.

haha. Sorry. i was having this exact argument earlier with the same exact TOR fans. And it's just annoying. I'll stop though.

The majority around here is basically like 4 guys who post 2 threads a day each. And they want to get rid of them for cap reasons usually.
And even if a teams fans think a guy is bad, it's easy enough to check that if it's true, and with holl it simply isnt.
Like, the majority of sabres fans thought ristolainen was good, the majority of ducks fans think gibson is good etc etc, that doesnt mean anything if they're actually wrong.

"Im not defensive im just defending" is really really funny

Almost as many Chicago AGMs doing the same.

Why? It's a debate lol. I'm not allowed to defend my position? I'm just immediately casted as a whiner?

Hawks say yes

No, a debate is when people tell you why its bad and then you debate their points instead of jumping right into insulting the fan base and telling them nuh uh they are wrong. That's why youre getting labled as a whiner

Im just looking at how that turned out. I get moving futures to win now and I'm all for that but moving a top prospect when you can move a late 2nd or even buy him out doesn't seem a clever idea to me.

"Im not defensive its a debate!"
/makes a whiny troll agm because people didnt like this one

Y'all take this site so seriously. lol

Yes, you are not mad at all, you are actually laughing