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Trotz can turn this team to contenders

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Équipe: 2022-23 Jets de Winnipeg
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**IF TROTZ SIGNS** I don’t think winnipegs defence is an issue I think their system is so I brought in a more defensive bottom 6 forward core (that can also score) and I left the d core because I think they have talent that Trotz can help, also I would like Trotz to help winnipegs top players learn defence (Scheif, Wheeler and Connor)
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29 mai 2022 à 19 h 51
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He'll be good for the defense and for forwards like Lowry, Wheeler, Appleton. But I think he's going to give Perfetti, Heinola and Ehlers a hard time.
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29 mai 2022 à 19 h 52
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He'll be good for the defense and for forwards like Lowry, Wheeler, Appleton. But I think he's going to give Perfetti, Heinola and Ehlers a hard time.


I don’t see him giving Ehlers a hard time but definitely Perfetti and Heinola but he’s always been hard on younger players
29 mai 2022 à 19 h 54
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He'll be good for the defense and for forwards like Lowry, Wheeler, Appleton. But I think he's going to give Perfetti, Heinola and Ehlers a hard time.


... and Kyle Connor. His defensive metrics are a bad as Scheifele, but he outscores his defensive liabilities.
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29 mai 2022 à 20 h 0
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I don’t see him giving Ehlers a hard time but definitely Perfetti and Heinola but he’s always been hard on younger players


I'm saying that because he's going to try to turn Ehlers into a north-south kind of players when that's not really his game. Heinola should be on the 2nd pair next season but I don't even see him in the lineup if Trotz becomes the coach. Samberg and Stanley will likely get priority because they are over 6'0. For the jets to take the next step, Heinola and Perfetti need to be big parts of the team and I don't see that happening with Trotz there. I think the top 6 would be something like Connor-Dubios-Wheeler, Ehlers-Schiefele-Appleton
29 mai 2022 à 20 h 3
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... and Kyle Connor. His defensive metrics are a bad as Scheifele, but he outscores his defensive liabilities.


We'll see , Ovechkins defensive metrics didn't improve much under Trotz. Ovechkin was one of the worst defensive forwards in the league in Trotz's last 2 seasons with the caps
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29 mai 2022 à 20 h 14
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If you guys get Vezina level Helle back this team could be a contender
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29 mai 2022 à 21 h 1
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What’s the difference between enval and svech? Damn I hope rangers win to get that 1st, how many years and dough is copp going to get, probably something that he probably can’t play up to, but good for him he deserves it. Trotz not coming, Philly is a better project, Vegas is all ready built, only thing drawing him home would be ego.
29 mai 2022 à 21 h 5
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What’s the difference between enval and svech? Damn I hope rangers win to get that 1st, how many years and dough is copp going to get, probably something that he probably can’t play up to, but good for him he deserves it. Trotz not coming, Philly is a better project, Vegas is all ready built, only thing drawing him home would be ego.


Engvall is bigger more physical and is better offensively, I think trotz is coming because his dad still lives in Manitoba and after his mom died I think he wants to be closer to his dad but who knows I could see him going to Detroit or Philly too
29 mai 2022 à 21 h 15
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Bad trades for WPG
29 mai 2022 à 22 h 28
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Nah, Trotz can't get this team to being a contender, he can get them into the playoffs and depending on who they match up against they MIGHT be able to steal a round or two but that's it, he isn't getting the Jets to contender status as they're presently built nor could he get this proposed team to being a contender either.

The Jets just aren't good enough and they're not built to play Trotz hockey, personally I don't see Trotz as a good fit for the Jets at all.
29 mai 2022 à 23 h 26
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Nah, Trotz can't get this team to being a contender, he can get them into the playoffs and depending on who they match up against they MIGHT be able to steal a round or two but that's it, he isn't getting the Jets to contender status as they're presently built nor could he get this proposed team to being a contender either.

The Jets just aren't good enough and they're not built to play Trotz hockey, personally I don't see Trotz as a good fit for the Jets at all.


Easily one of the wildest games I’ve heard
30 mai 2022 à 7 h 18
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I'm saying that because he's going to try to turn Ehlers into a north-south kind of players when that's not really his game. Heinola should be on the 2nd pair next season but I don't even see him in the lineup if Trotz becomes the coach. Samberg and Stanley will likely get priority because they are over 6'0. For the jets to take the next step, Heinola and Perfetti need to be big parts of the team and I don't see that happening with Trotz there. I think the top 6 would be something like Connor-Dubios-Wheeler, Ehlers-Schiefele-Appleton


That's a very rational take on Trotz in WPG to be honest. I can imagine it - terrible Stanley being overplayed, Wheeler getting top minutes and small guys warming the bench
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30 mai 2022 à 7 h 37
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I like all the trades. Engvall would be a good add
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30 mai 2022 à 8 h 31
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There probably aren't any more teams that Trotz will add to his interview list, as I doubt any of the remaining 5 teams still playing are looking to make a coaching change. Once he speaks with DAL, the countdown (of unknown duration) begins.
30 mai 2022 à 10 h 18
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Easily one of the wildest games I’ve heard


Games?
30 mai 2022 à 10 h 20
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Stanley playing his offside is somehow significantly worse than even how normally bad he is playing on his strong side lmao
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30 mai 2022 à 10 h 25
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Stanley playing his offside is somehow significantly worse than even how normally bad he is playing on his strong side lmao


Maybe they want him to get the anti-MVP trophy... LVP?
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30 mai 2022 à 11 h 39
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That's a very rational take on Trotz in WPG to be honest. I can imagine it - terrible Stanley being overplayed, Wheeler getting top minutes and small guys warming the bench


Honestly Trotz isn't a good fit for this group and then he's eventually in management drafting a bunch more Stanley's and Komarov's, no thanks!
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30 mai 2022 à 11 h 45
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Honestly Trotz isn't a good fit for this group and then he's eventually in management drafting a bunch more Stanley's and Komarov's, no thanks!


I'm skeptical about Trotz moving into GM-track job. Let's say he coaches for 3 years, then is an AGM for 2-3yrs that means he'd be a first time GM at 64-65 years old. I'd be interested to be a fly on the wall when he does his Assistant GM turn as the 'cap guy'.
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30 mai 2022 à 14 h 43
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Games?


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30 mai 2022 à 23 h 8
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Oh, whats so wild about my take?
31 mai 2022 à 0 h 8
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Oh, whats so wild about my take?


Ehlers is already a north south player, Heinola hasn’t proved himself yet start him on the third pairing not the second, Trotz has never chosen big players over smaller players so idk where you got that from veterans over younger players sure but not size, Heinola and Perfetti don’t need to be big parts yet they need to slowly grow sure they need some more chances but a big part of this team I disagree, I also can’t see Appleton in the top 6
31 mai 2022 à 0 h 33
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Ehlers is already a north south player, Heinola hasn’t proved himself yet start him on the third pairing not the second, Trotz has never chosen big players over smaller players so idk where you got that from veterans over younger players sure but not size, Heinola and Perfetti don’t need to be big parts yet they need to slowly grow sure they need some more chances but a big part of this team I disagree, I also can’t see Appleton in the top 6


I think you're quoting the wrong comment, that was an Islanders fan who said that.
31 mai 2022 à 0 h 40
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Easily one of the wildest games I’ve heard


That’s right wrong comment but that comment was also pretty bad, I definitely see Trotz as the perfect fit for the jets compared to the other teams in the league the Jets have a good individual defenceman who have been good in the past or are good currently (other than Stanley but he’s young) all their d core lacks is a good system/coach and I think trotz is just that and their forwards also lack defensive liability they play offence with no means of back checking trotz would help them out a lot there, I think a contender is around a top 8 team in the league and I think 1000% Trotz and this team can easily be a top 8 team in the league with the right system and lines
31 mai 2022 à 11 h 43
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That’s right wrong comment but that comment was also pretty bad, I definitely see Trotz as the perfect fit for the jets compared to the other teams in the league the Jets have a good individual defenceman who have been good in the past or are good currently (other than Stanley but he’s young) all their d core lacks is a good system/coach and I think trotz is just that and their forwards also lack defensive liability they play offence with no means of back checking trotz would help them out a lot there, I think a contender is around a top 8 team in the league and I think 1000% Trotz and this team can easily be a top 8 team in the league with the right system and lines


Oh man, you really think a team with a top D pair of Morrissey/DeMelo could be a top 8 team in the league??!!

You really think a team with an offensive black hole 3C and an offensively challenged bottom two lines can be a top 8 team in the league?!!

You really think a D core that only has one or two guys bigger then 6' 200 lbs. can be a top 8 team in the league??!!

Not a chance, this team needs a ton of work to be a top 8 team in the league, they're just not good enough and Trotz isn't making that much of a difference.
 
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