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Trading Fiala and Dumba

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Équipe: 2022-23 Wild du Minnesota
Date de création initiale: 13 mai 2022
Publié: 13 mai 2022
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  1. Gritsyuk, Arseni [Liste de réserve]
  2. Mercer, Dawson
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NJD)
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  1. Fiala, Kevin [Droits de RFA]
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  1. Drury, Jack
  2. Fast, Jesper
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (CAR)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
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13 mai 2022 à 12 h 11
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Aaaaand....it's a Ranger fan...makes sense
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13 mai 2022 à 12 h 13
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NJ declines in a hurry that's a major overpay.

Rossi is nowhere close to being a number 1 center at this point.
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13 mai 2022 à 12 h 14
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Quoting: NJDevils1317
Aaaaand....it's a Ranger fan...makes sense


Was about to say, Its about a 1 for 1 swap for Fiala and second overall, not a whole Mercer attached to that
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13 mai 2022 à 12 h 14
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Teams aren’t paying a premium knowing Minnesota has cap issues
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13 mai 2022 à 12 h 15
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I think Fiala straight up for Mercer or Holtz is the fairest deal.
13 mai 2022 à 12 h 16
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Quoting: DollaDollaBillKirill
I think Fiala straight up for Mercer or Holtz is the fairest deal.


I'd still decline if I am NJ.
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13 mai 2022 à 12 h 18
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I'd still decline if I am NJ.


We have to get something of major quality back. Guerin is going to be playing hardball, he still isn't forced to trade him. Make a team give up a premium asset or else take the situation into the middle of the summer and trade Dumba.
13 mai 2022 à 12 h 19
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no way they give up on Mercer
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13 mai 2022 à 12 h 23
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Quoting: ecupirate07
Teams aren’t paying a premium knowing Minnesota has cap issues


In my view, a team must have all of the following to be in the bidding for Fiala

1) Cap room (obviously....around $7.5-8m....not going to argue a matter of $1m
1b) Players you can trade to get the cap room to another party since MINN needs minimal money back. People need to want those assets.

2) Assets to get the player

3) Desire to win now- Which I get many teams may want to win now, but if Fiala only gets you from a bottom feeder to middle of the pack and you don't already have young prospects in the system, you otherwise could get stuck in mediocracy which may be the worst scenario.


How many teams check all these boxes?


I understand the concept of NJD being interested in Fiala, Boeser, Garland...less so Miller (just that he's about to hit 30 and doesn't match the window)

Will OTT's new ownership (his kids) go to the cap? Who is LA willing to part with? Is DET there? Does PIT have anything left to trade? Will CAR have the room?


I'm not an expert on any of the teams I'm mentioning, but wanted an honest discussion of who is likely to be in the bidding and how that impacts the price.
13 mai 2022 à 12 h 34
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Quoting: DollaDollaBillKirill
We have to get something of major quality back. Guerin is going to be playing hardball, he still isn't forced to trade him. Make a team give up a premium asset or else take the situation into the middle of the summer and trade Dumba.


Minny can't even afford to sign Fiala, they're not getting major quality in return for an RFA that's going to be due a huge contract that everyone knows Wild can't afford. They'll get a nice return but it isn't going to be Fiala's value. Also Fiala is not a good playoff performer and that's a big problem for contenders looking to acquire him.
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13 mai 2022 à 12 h 35
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I highly doubt the Devils give up Mercer + 2nd overall for anyone, but Fiala is probably a nice trade target for them.
13 mai 2022 à 12 h 50
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Quoting: NJDevils1317
In my view, a team must have all of the following to be in the bidding for Fiala

1) Cap room (obviously....around $7.5-8m....not going to argue a matter of $1m
1b) Players you can trade to get the cap room to another party since MINN needs minimal money back. People need to want those assets.

2) Assets to get the player

3) Desire to win now- Which I get many teams may want to win now, but if Fiala only gets you from a bottom feeder to middle of the pack and you don't already have young prospects in the system, you otherwise could get stuck in mediocracy which may be the worst scenario.


How many teams check all these boxes?


I understand the concept of NJD being interested in Fiala, Boeser, Garland...less so Miller (just that he's about to hit 30 and doesn't match the window)

Will OTT's new ownership (his kids) go to the cap? Who is LA willing to part with? Is DET there? Does PIT have anything left to trade? Will CAR have the room?


I'm not an expert on any of the teams I'm mentioning, but wanted an honest discussion of who is likely to be in the bidding and how that impacts the price.

I agree with your assessment. A team like the Canes can wait until UFA time and offer sheet him. Instead of burning assets. Minnesota then will be in a pickle to move assets. It isn’t likely that many teams will offer market value for these players knowing Minnesota has cap issues and can offer sheet if they don’t like the trade
13 mai 2022 à 12 h 53
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Mercer or Holtz are not moving in any deal unless it’s for Matt Tkachuk or Pastranak
13 mai 2022 à 12 h 54
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Quoting: ecupirate07
I agree with your assessment. A team like the Canes can wait until UFA time and offer sheet him. Instead of burning assets. Minnesota then will be in a pickle to move assets. It isn’t likely that many teams will offer market value for these players knowing Minnesota has cap issues and can offer sheet if they don’t like the trade


That is an interesting call, but could actually be why Minnesota is forced to deal him at the draft as if they match they can't trade him for a year, but on the other side if they only get a LATE 1st, 2nd, 3rd....it might actually be worse than some other offers that people have said are not very good.
13 mai 2022 à 12 h 56
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Devils decline EASILY.

Holtz for Fiala straight up.
13 mai 2022 à 12 h 59
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Quoting: DollaDollaBillKirill
We have to get something of major quality back. Guerin is going to be playing hardball, he still isn't forced to trade him. Make a team give up a premium asset or else take the situation into the middle of the summer and trade Dumba.


he should extend him and not entertain any offers at all lol

he will be forced to trade him if he can't fit in his arbitration contract because he clearly doesn't think he'll be able to fit him in on a long term extension. His only leverage is a bidding war and hoping somebody is dumb enough to pay close to full value.
13 mai 2022 à 13 h 0
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Quoting: crankshaft
Minny can't even afford to sign Fiala, they're not getting major quality in return for an RFA that's going to be due a huge contract that everyone knows Wild can't afford. They'll get a nice return but it isn't going to be Fiala's value. Also Fiala is not a good playoff performer and that's a big problem for contenders looking to acquire him.


yes we can afford him, I don't know why everyone thinks we can't, other moves can be made.
13 mai 2022 à 13 h 13
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Quoting: DollaDollaBillKirill
yes we can afford him, I don't know why everyone thinks we can't, other moves can be made.


Minnesota needs a top line center or expect more 1st round exits. Signing Fiala is a bad idea all over as Rossi is nowhere close to a top center and Eriksson Ek is a pretty good 2C.
13 mai 2022 à 13 h 23
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Minnesota needs a top line center or expect more 1st round exits. Signing Fiala is a bad idea all over as Rossi is nowhere close to a top center and Eriksson Ek is a pretty good 2C.


trading fiala for scraps isn't going to help either.
13 mai 2022 à 13 h 40
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Quoting: DollaDollaBillKirill
trading fiala for scraps isn't going to help either.


I don't mean scraps but he isn't returning Dawson Mercer or Alexander Holtz and certainly not with a 1st. You're looking at a B+ level prospect and a mid 1st and maybe another 3rd or something.
13 mai 2022 à 14 h 6
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Canes pass. Dumba is nice, but Drury and Fast aren’t getting traded.
13 mai 2022 à 14 h 59
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Ofc it’s a biased Rangers fan
13 mai 2022 à 15 h 7
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Quoting: crankshaft
I don't mean scraps but he isn't returning Dawson Mercer or Alexander Holtz and certainly not with a 1st. You're looking at a B+ level prospect and a mid 1st and maybe another 3rd or something.


Yup...sanest thing I've read in a Fiala-to-NJ thread.

(we just don't have the mid-1st to spend)
 
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