Let me ask you, are you in the camp of dealing Miller or keeping him and maybe letting him walk for nothing? Boeser is great, but surely the potential return for him is enticing. You are nowhere close to contending with this team, even with an elite goalie, elite 1C, elite OFD, elite two-way 2C, etc. You have good pieces but its not now. Re-tool and get younger, and you could contend in a few years.

Oh, I see. Getting to our earlier point, of course Fiala is better and more valuable than Boeser right NOW, I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying that I still see a world where Boeser bounces back next season and raises his stock to be even higher than Fiala's, because at the beginning of this season, Boeser was a more valuable asset than Fiala was, so I would not trade Boeser + for Fiala in any scenario this off-season with Boeser's stock being as relatively low as it is

My proposal made your empty RD look quite sturdy and Kane and Nichushkin would be solid replacements for the forwards I dealt. I don't think it's all perfect, but I think it's a good route to take.

I'm not saying the Canucks will contend next year, of course they can't, I'm smart enough to recognize that as well, but with the talent that the team does have, it's not possible for them to be bad enough to tank for a top 3 or top 5 draft pick, so they have to go into next season with playoff aspirations. Canucks were playing at a 106 point pace under Boudreau for 57 games, that's a meaningful sample size

There is no reason for me to doubt the Canucks ability to make the post-season next season even if they trade Miller (it sounds like Boeser is going to re-sign and stay). If Pettersson, Hughes, Demko, and Podkolzin all take steps in their game, and if guys like Boeser, Dickinson, and Hoglander bounce back, this team will have made up much of the value from losing JT Miller

Nah, dude. The PK'ers are fine. They shouldn't be anywhere near as bad as they are. It's bad for two reasons.

1) They're special teams coach is awful. Needs to be fired into the sun and replaced. We also lacked a big bodied defenseman who could clear out the front of the net.

2) Inconsistent and and bad goaltending this year dropped them down the rankings a ****ton. Why the f*** do you think we traded for Fluery?

We addressed both issues in regards to goaltending and and lack of size on the back end by bringing in Fleury and moving out Kahkonen for Middleton.

I wouldn’t do it if I were Vancouver either, it doesn’t make sense for either team.

Actually, he's killed penalties all year long. But was only on the PK2 unit until about a month and half ago when he was promoted to the 1st penalty kill unit, and jumped from 35s pk toi to 55s pk toi.

Fiala has been the better overall player by stats comparison for the last three years. This is not some scenario where Boeser will magically overtake him.

Fiala simply left Boeser in a lesser tier this year.

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_compare.php?players%5B%5D=4512&players%5B%5D=4048&period=2021-2022%3AR%3A99

Fiala is still a year older and playing on a better team

And Boeser still played with better players then what Fiala had on his line until this year, plays 2 minutes more a game on average than Fiala does. Plays roughly a minute more of PP time on average than Fiala does.

And despite all that Fiala was neck and neck with Boeser for that entire time, and still beat him on most categories.

Ergo, Fiala did more with less.

Fiala is the clearly better player, and it's simply no longer close.

Even if Boeser does bounce back there is absolutely no evidence to suggest or support to your claim that he'll overtake Fiala again. That's strictly wishful thinking on your part. Boeser's a 60-65'ish point player if he bounces back. How many years of playing with the likes of Pettersson, Horvat, Miller, and Garland/Toffoli level players does Boeser need to hit 80 points in a season?

When he's never even hit 70, not once, or even been on pace for that number.

Fiala's been on that type of pace without linemates of note or help, basically on his own, for the last three years. Get him a player worth a damn on his line and this season was the type of season he was always capable of. The underlying numbers have always bared that out.

That hasn't been the case for Boeser.

Lol, Fiala wasn't going anywhere this season until Boldy came along, and Boeser hasn't been getting carried by his linemates the way you think he is, in fact to the contrary, he makes his linemates better

Fiala had a slow start, that's true. But he's always been a second half of the season type of player. That is nothing new. He was the hottest player in the NHL by point total for the final two months of the 19-20 season.

He did it again last year, despite the shortened season where he was on a tear the final couple of months before that playoffs started.

Only Stamkos was the hotter player down the stretch this year.

He was on a 70 point pace in 19-20.

He was on a 70 point pace for an adjusted 82 game schedule in 20-21.

He was on a 63 point pace on his own at the time Boldy joined the team. It's not unreasonable to think he hits 90+ points if Boldy doesn't get injured the last preseason game and actually makes the team roster out of camp as was originally slated to happen.

Sure you can sit there and say he doesn't have the year he has without Boldy. But he still would of broken through on his own eventually. It's who he is. And given his tendencies, he would of once again been on a 70 point pace on his own.

Okay, but the whole inconsistency trend looks a little disconcerting to me

Rangers accept if they can't get Girard or Chychrun.

That's true of any goal scorer. Boeser is the same way. He's been streaky as well througout his career and injury prone as well. Even Kaprizov goes into little lulls every now and again. Kaprizov got off to a slow start this year too.

But back to Fiala, it's been his inconsistencies that have kept him from getting the long-term contract he's always wanted and why he's focused so heavily on improving defensively the last two years and a becoming a full 200 foot player. Not just beyond because it's what both Guerin and Evason have wanted, but because it's what he's wanted too.

And for the record, Fiala may not have been producing much if anything earlier in the year until Boldy arrived. But he was never inconsistent this year. He was still engaged, still doing the right things, and contributing at both ends of the ice. He just wasn't getting rewarded for it. In a word, snakebit. His expected goals rate via shot chances to actual production was the lowest in the league by a wide margin for the first two months until Boldy arrived.

But he was in no way invisible or inconsistent with his level of play during that stretch.

Still engaged while not scoring? Yeah right, show me some proof

How exactly is it do you think Minnesota is paying anything for boeser much less that? Minnesota says no

Brutal miller trade, Boeser trade doesn’t make sense for minny, no way LA trades away Durzi AND a 1st for 2 players who don’t crack their first line, overpaying free agents by, like, a lot, and the forward groups is a lot worse than last year; a worse first line without miller and a worse 3rd line without Pearson/garland.

Brutal offseason. If the Canucks do anything like this then they should fold the franchise

What am I, your mother? Your fully capable of looking this information up on your own you know.

But since you asked...

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/kevin-fiala

It's right there under the Regular Season Quarterly Comparison heading. A little ways down the page. Now, as I already explained but you don't seem to understand. His xG/SC numbers or expected goals via shot chances to actual production were the lowest in the league for the first two months in the league. That means he was putting high-quality chances on net and wasn't getting rewarded. By sheer volume of shots alone, he should of have been more productive. His expected goals rate during his early drought was 11, he had 3. As I said, that difference of -9 was worst in the league.

He started scoring not because Boldy showed up, but because the puck started going into the net for him.

But since you can't be bothered to look this information up for yourself.

2021-2022 Regular Season

Quarter 1:
GP - 21
G - 3
A - 12
P - 15
SOG - 69

Quarter 2:
GP - 17
G - 8
A - 6
P - 14
SOG - 56

Quarter 3:
GP - 22
G - 9
A - 17
P - 26
SOG - 70

Quarter 4:
GP - 22
G - 13
A - 17
P - 30
SOG - 67


His SOG were consistent throughout the year, but his scoring was not. If a player is putting that many pucks on net, bottom line... they're engaged. This is and should be common sense.

I'm just not as good with analytics as you are. Thanks mom

No, he wasn't, you just thought he was because you only look at total points accumulated without any context.

Fiala has been better for 3 years, he will continue to be better going forward.

He's been better for 1 maybe 2 years, but not three. You are ignoring Boeser's analytics

I'm gonna chime in and say Fiala and Boeser were once on the same page, but Fiala has run away with it. Maybe Boeser can bounce back, but Fiala is way ahead at the moment.

For sure, Boeser has had a down year while fiala has had a career year. I'm just saying that I still believe Boeser has the potential to catch up to Fiala's level or close to

He's been the overall better player going back to the 2019-20 season. The "analytics" you claim are what tells us he's done more with less. I've gone over this time and time again, any disparity in production has been explained entirely by a difference in opportunity- ice time and linemates. When Fiala has gotten quality linemates to play with during those years, his production far surpasses Boeser's.