So, if you were to do what I was referring to, based on these cards.

Fiala 21-22 GSVA = 2.9
Reinhart 20-21 GSVA = 1.1
Buchnevich 20-21 GSVA = 1.8

These are the GSVA numbers the season prior to being traded for Reinhart and Buchnevich, in Fiala’s case, potentially being traded as we don’t know if he will in fact be sent away yet.

It requires trading Dumba or a bunch of players they just extended. And then the Boldy math gets even tougher.

I’ve made at least 10-20 of them

Dumba, Jost and Kulikov are traded. It’s either that or trade Fiala, who is damn near irreplaceable at this point.

there's not as much of a gap as you're suggesting. i've watched buchnevich take over hockey games for st. louis this year. reinhart's just a complementary player in florida now because barkov and huberdeau are literally insane but reinhart (along with linus ullmark) is the only reason buffalo won any games last year. both of them are really really good players, and so is fiala. doesn't change the circumstances surrounding any of these trades.

None of them are 2023-24, when Boldy needs a new contract

Yeah so here's the issue with GSVA - it's very teammate-dependent because it doesn't isolate for xG and factors in points. So, the point was that Buchnevich and Reinhart actually have very similar "on ice value" as you claimed, and we can see that now that they're all on good teams instead of the (bad) Rangers and Blues

You can see this in GAR/xGAR numbers provided by EH:

Fiala (21-22) WAR/xWAR overall rating: 75%
Buchnevich (20-21) WAR/xWAR overall rating: 88%
Reinhart (20-21) WAR/xWAR overall rating: 93%

Boldy and Addison will both get bridge deals. Addison probably around 1-1.5 as he hasn’t been given time to play yet. Boldy will probably get a 2 year 5m aav. Players like Orourke, Wallstedt, Lambos, and Beckman will all be ready to contribute on ELCs by that point.

And yet, that's what the Wild seem likely to do according to /literally/ all of your beat reporters and insiders.

You do realize that Fiala has played with 3rd line/4th line players his entire career, right? Only until 2-3 months ago did he finally get a good line mate in Boldy.

The neat part about WAR/xWAR is that it handles that, or tries to! So that's baked in.

Yes because we all know that beat reporters are the most trustworthy people in the world. Come on dude, at some point logic needs to set in.

It has for everyone but you, apparently lol Unless you think Russo is making stuff up for clicks?

You quite literally just told me that the problem with all these cards are that it’s very teammate dependent. Now you’re saying that it’s baked in? Which one is it?

I don’t think Russo is making stuff up for clicks but I’m also not going to take his opinion as the be all end all.

russo is like the most trusted, reliable guy in the business besides friedman and even he thinks fiala's getting traded. he literally wrote a column the other day about why they shouldn't do it but he's written numerous times that he thinks that's the direction it's headed

That's fair. Devils certainly got the cap space for him.
Probably makes for one of the better trade partners for Wild.
I think this Fiala situation is gonna drag on for some time, maybe throughout the entire summer.

no one cares about gsva

edit : i sound rude sorry. i mean the correlation with advance stats and trade value is not as muchrelevant as correlation with points, ice time and free agency status when it comes to trade value. GMs dont care about gsva

Yeah man I quoted two different stats to you. One that doesn't isolate (GSVA) and one that does (WAR/xWAR). You can see the isolated stats captured Buch/Reinhart on the bad teams.

what about WAR/xWAR? lol

I have no issue with Guerin trading Fiala, do I agree with it? No but I also know how Guerin operates. He won’t be trading Fiala for anything close to what Buchnevich and Reinhart were traded for. If it comes down to that I have no doubt he will just sign Fiala long term. Either way we’re losing players, his only job is to determine whether or not he wants those players to be good ones or replaceable ones.

I don’t know enough about any of these analytics so I’ll believe you but you get my point by now. Watch all 3 of these guys over the next couple weeks and you’ll understand what I’m talking about.

editted my comment while your were typing. i qould argue the same about war. (as in trade value)

I mean, my whole point is that none of us watch enough hockey to make calls like this, and that's why these numbers are (more) valuable to fans like you and I who can't isocam these guys for 82 games lol

I've watched all 3 of these players absolutely dominate and take over games. I've watched them all be completely invisible. But I'm a flawed observer and is why I typically go to the numbers first and then try to apply context to them.

To each their own I guess