Surely you can't be serious?

no. the avs dont consider this.

It’s the idea, not the trade. I realize Byram nigh untouchable.

the hagel thing is confusing to me because objectively i don’t see him being worth a first and a blue chip prospect, but i also respect that chicago wants to keep him and will only move him for a huge overpay. that said, i feel like that shouldn’t be a marker of anyone else’s value. i’m iffy about byram with his concussion issues but this just doesn’t make any sense for the avalanche.

no team is going to be going up a blue chip prospect for Hartman.

The ask by Chicago is a 1st and prospect, that doesnt mean that his value. teams can ask for whatever they want, doest mean teams will actually pay it

Oh honey no

It’s about whether the Wild should move now pieces to get higher end futures. Should have picked a different team of Han the Avs.

With $14-15m of dead capspace the next 3 years Minnesota are in no position to be trading away contracts like Hartman's. I also don't envisage that other teams will value him as highly as Minnesota because there's no guarantee that he can keep up his current scoring levels. No one is trading a bluechip Dman for a guy who's been a 3rd or 4th liner most of his career.

Minnesota are in a playoff spot still and this is their last year of realistically being competitive given the impending dead capspace for the next 3 years. They should be adding to the roster to make a playoff push, not removing key pieces. If Hartman keeps up this play they could easily fetch some good futures next year or even the year after that too, no need to move him now.

wild are heading towards cap hell. they should get all the good elcs they can.

The concussion issues are why I chose him. High risk high reward. But back to Hagel, if somebody is willing to do that then the Wild absolutely need to explore the market on Hartman.

I wonder if I would have just put the Hagel packages I’ve heard if I would be getting the same pushback I’m getting here.

enough with this nonsense high risk high reward logic people toss out about Byram

Avs are not trading byram full stop. If hes not healthy, the avs are supporting him and doing everything for him to get healthy, they are not a scum bag organization who would trade an injured player
and ifs back to being healthy and recovered, hes an impact Dman

High risk high reward is not an actual thing bc hes not available,

I fundamentally disagree with the premise that the cap issues in the coming years have any impact on whether they should go for it now. They aren’t close to being a contender. Goaltending is atrocious, there is zero scoring depth, and the defense isn’t nearly as strong as it was in years past.

I’m a believer that anybody can put up career numbers with Kaprizov so I’m not worried about replacing him. And to your point that Hartman is a 3/4 liner, I agree. But he’s on a great contract and has shown he can play anywhere, just like Hagel. If you can get a 1st and too prospect you gotta do it.

If you don’t think the concussion issues are part of the calculus the. You are sadly mistaken. I agree that they want to help him get better and keep him in an Avs sweater for a long time. But if somebody offers you high end certainty for him then Sakic is absolutely pulling the trigger.

Minnesota will be in 8th place after today. 9th after Edmonton wins 1 more game. Something is seriously wrong with the wild. Like they have given up

what does that have anything to do with what I said. There is no risk if hes not available, so enough with that dumb phrase other fan bases are saying about him.

Sakic is not pulling the trigger on any Byram trade, you clearly dont know how the avs organization runs if you think that

Yeah, their PDO is coming back down to earth. It’s not difficult. They should have been selling anyways.

Yop. This team is beyond mentally fragile. Literally have quit on each other

The risk is passing on a trade that gets you a player better than Byram right now. Opportunity cost is real. If you could land Chychrun for Byram and another small piece or 2, you should absolutely take that deal. If he’s “untouchable” you risk missing out on a premier Defenseman in his prime on a bargain contract for what is the perfect cup window. This is a pure hypothetical but it does show that there is risk in players being “untouchable”.

I just don’t think they were ever good enough. They have 4 top 6 forwards, maybe 4 top 4 defenders, and 2 1B goalies at best. It’s not fragility, it’s lack of talent.

dude, I would just stop before you dig yourself into a bigger hole
you are trying to convince yourself that the avs would turn their back on a player by trading him when hes at his most vulernable coming off personal issues stemming from concussions.

Dude give youre head a shake and use common sense, they are human begins, not pawns for your disposals in trades.

Other GM's aren't oblivious to the fact that Kaprizov is pumping Hartman's numbers, as you just admitted as well. No one is trading a 1st and top prospect for Hartman.

Trading a player is not turning your back on them. Players, prospects, and draft picks are literally referred to as assets. This shouldn’t be controversial.

And I believe that Sakic wants Byram to be an Av for a long time.

I also think the individual play right now, and team falling apart after dumba and Greenway injuries with no ability to regroup is big big issue. Guerin also needs to trade Fiala here and accept its a lost year. He needs to make a shocking trade like Zucker one to send a message to team

Maybe not. But I don’t see the difference between him and Hagel. If you’ve got something on that I’d love to hear it.