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Créé par: LetsGoPens69

Équipe: 2022-23 Penguins de Pittsburgh

Date de création initiale: 5 mars 2022

Publié: 5 mars 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Even though Marino’s long term contract is looking like a steal with how much NHL D-man are getting paid. And him being just 24 years old still (turns 25 in May) and signed long term. Getting Garland would solidify the Pens top 6 for the next 3 years. With resigning Geno(7.5M) Rust(5.5M) and E-Rod(1.5M) and extending RFA’s Heinen(2.5M) and maybe sign and trade Kappy(2.25M-2.75M).

It gives the Pens a ridiculous top 9 for the next 3 years:
Guentzel/Sid/Rust
Heinen/Geno/Garland
Zucker/Carter/E-Rod or Kappy

And still have Blueger, McGinn, O’Connor, Zohorna, Poulin, Legare, Nylander, Puustinen, Bjorkqvist. And can resign; Boyle, Angello cheaply. Even resign D.Simon for depth if cheap enough.

Getting Schenn also helps plug Marino’s void for a year.

And trading Matheson along with Kappy to Dallas for J.Hakanapa would free up some cap space and give the Pens another RHD option. It gives Dallas a needed LHD, along with 25 year old top 6, mid 6 wing at worst in Kappy. And throw in a mid-round pick if need be.

Matheson playing well this season should be able to be moved in the offseason(7 goals, 14 assists) even if it’s not Dallas. And with what D-man in their prime are making, Matheson’s deal is looking better and better everyday. Especially if he keeps playing like he is(like a legit 2nd pairing LHD).

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Heinen, Danton	2	2 500 000 $
O'Connor, Drew	2	900 000 $
Nylander, Alexander	2	900 000 $
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier	2	900 000 $
Lee, Cameron	2	900 000 $
Björkqvist, Kasper	2	900 000 $
Bellerive, Jordy	2	900 000 $
Angello, Anthony	2	925 000 $
Friedman, Mark	2	925 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Malkin, Evgeni	3	7 500 000 $
Letang, Kris	3	7 000 000 $
Rust, Bryan	5	5 500 000 $
Rodrigues, Evan	2	1 500 000 $
Fleury, Marc-André	3	3 000 000 $
Boyle, Brian	1	925 000 $
Riikola, Juuso	1	925 000 $
Domingue, Louis	1	925 000 $
Acciari, Noel	2	1 200 000 $

Transactions

PIT

Garland, Conor
Schenn, Luke
Choix de 5e ronde en 2022 (VAN)

VAN

Marino, John

PIT

Hakanpää, Jani

DAL

Kapanen, Kasperi [Droits de RFA]
Matheson, Michael
Choix de 5e ronde en 2022 (PIT)

Rachats de contrats

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
24	81 500 000 $	80 291 842 $	0 $	0 $	1 208 158 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Guentzel, Jake 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 2	Crosby, Sidney 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3	Rust, Bryan 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 6
Heinen, Danton 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Malkin, Evgeni 7 500 000 $7 500 000 $ C UFA - 4	Garland, Conor 4 950 000 $4 950 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 4
Zucker, Jason 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Carter, Jeff 3 125 000 $3 125 000 $ AD, C NMC UFA - 2	Rodrigues, Evan 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1
McGinn, Brock 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Blueger, Teddy 2 200 000 $2 200 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Acciari, Noel 1 200 000 $1 200 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Dumoulin, Brian 4 100 000 $4 100 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1	Letang, Kris 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ DD UFA - 6	Jarry, Tristan 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ G UFA - 1
Pettersson, Marcus 4 025 175 $4 025 175 $ DG UFA - 3	Schenn, Luke 850 000 $850 000 $ DD UFA - 1
	Hakanpää, Jani 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Fleury, Marc-André 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ G UFA - 2
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier 900 000 $900 000 $ DG RFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Ruhwedel, Chad 800 000 $800 000 $ DD UFA - 2
Friedman, Mark 925 000 $925 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2
Boyle, Brian 925 000 $925 000 $ AG, C UFA
Angello, Anthony 925 000 $925 000 $ C, AD UFA - 1

Équipe de réserve
Riikola, Juuso 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG UFA
Zohorna, Radim 750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG, AD UFA - 1
Poulin, Samuel 863 333 $863 333 $ (0 $$00 $$0) C, AG RFA - 2
Nylander, Alexander 900 000 $900 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AD, AG RFA - 1
O'Connor, Drew 900 000 $900 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG UFA - 1
Puustinen, Valtteri 842 500 $842 500 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (82 500 $$82K) AD, AG UFA - 1
Björkqvist, Kasper 900 000 $900 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG RFA
Légaré, Nathan 789 167 $789 167 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (132 500 $$132K) AD RFA - 2
Hållander, Filip 764 167 $764 167 $ (0 $$00 $$0) (132 500 $$132K) C RFA - 1
Domingue, Louis 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) G UFA - 2

5 mars 2022 à 13 h 3

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I'd probably do this if I were Vancouver

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5 mars 2022 à 13 h 4

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Quoting: cooliny

I'd probably do this if I were Vancouver

Ya, the only way the Pens trade 24 year old Marino is they extend Letang this offseason. And I doubt they will either way. He’s contract is looking more and more like a steal everyday.

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5 mars 2022 à 13 h 10

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Rust isn't signing that

5 mars 2022 à 13 h 13

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Rust will want more than 4.5M. He can fetch 6M+ per year on the open market

5 mars 2022 à 13 h 14

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Quoting: villenash

Rust isn't signing that

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Rust will want more than 4.5M. He can fetch 6M+ per year on the open market

I meant 5.5M; same as Hyman. Rust will sign 5.5M for 4-6 seasons.

5 mars 2022 à 13 h 15

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DAL declines. We're in no place to be adding $8M in cap.

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5 mars 2022 à 13 h 16

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I'd take this deal if I'm Vancouver. I wouldn't make it if I'm Pittsburgh, though. I think Letang can get a pretty hefty pay load when he hits UFA; someone will offer him 9 mil per on a short term deal. He may love Pittsburgh, but would you leave that kind of money on the table? He doesn't owe Pittsburgh anything, he's already helped them win three Stanley Cups.

If I'm Pittsburgh, I hold on to Marino until Letang's signed his new deal. I don't think they need another top 6 forward that badly, at least not this season.

5 mars 2022 à 13 h 17

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DAL declines. We're in no place to be adding $8M in cap.

Ya, I knew I’d get push back from Dallas fans.

Either way, Matheson playing well this season should be able to be moved in the offseason(7 goals, 14 assists) even if it’s not Dallas. Top 20 in D-men in goals scored.

And with what D-man in their prime are making, Matheson’s deal is looking better and better everyday. Especially if he keeps playing like he is(like a legit 2nd pairing LHD).

And Kappy’s QO is only 875K but he has arbitration rights. He won’t get the 3.25M he’s getting this season. He’ll get b/ween 2.25M-2.75M.

5 mars 2022 à 13 h 26

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Quoting: gordfish

Sid already talked to Letang, Rust and Geno. They owe Sid. Sid took a discount and told Letang, Rust and Geno it only works if they all take alittle discount when their contracts come up as well. You can find the interview anywhere. He already spoke on it a bunch of times. I think he says it in a barstool interview too.

Letang will take 3 years(same length as Sid has left). 7M-8M. He’ll take a slight discount just like Sid. So they can make acouple last runs in their last 3 seasons. Rust will sign 5.5M for 4-6 years. Same as Hyman.

Geno will sign 7.5M-8M. He might only take 1-2 years though. He wants to retire in Russia. Play a season or two in Russia at the end of his career. He’s said that numerous times as well.

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5 mars 2022 à 13 h 31

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I doubt it. Despite Matheson showing signs of getting better, that contract is still a bit of an albatross, and I'd wager that Matheson is going to be worth more for Pens than whatever they get for him via trading.

If Kappy doesn't step it up he's not even worth that much right now.

5 mars 2022 à 13 h 35

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Quoting: LetsGoPens69

I meant 5.5M; same as Hyman. Rust will sign 5.5M for 4-6 seasons.

I think he's outplayed Hyman over the last couple years. Dom's model has him worth 12mil. I don't think he'll get anywhere near that but I'm think 6.5.-7.5m.

5 mars 2022 à 13 h 37

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Canucks would take that no doubt. Adding Schenn is a sneaky way to cover for part of the Marino loss in Pitt. He's been a pleasant surprise in Van. Much better than his first stint with the club and a valuable piece especially at league min.

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5 mars 2022 à 13 h 37

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Dallas doesn't need LHD, they have 5 signed for next season already. Matheson wouldn't be someone they would trade for. I also don't see them trading Hakanpaa either.

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5 mars 2022 à 13 h 41

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Quoting: justaBoss

Disagree completely. A 27 year old 2 pairing LHD, top 20 in scoring D-man is worth 4M-5M in todays market easily. Dallas signed 37 year old Suter for 3.65M for 5 years..lol.

Kappy is still a legit top 6 wing; mid 6 at worst. Even playing poorly and in Sully’s doghouse; he had 30 points in 40 games last season(.75PPG) and 26 in 53 this season(.5PPG).

Still better than D.Gurianov the last 2 seasons(and his whole career) and Gurianov is in Dallas’s top 6. And Kappy is a better 200 foot player too. Better underlying numbers and analytics. Better on PK as well.

I love how people knock Kappy then trade for him and immediately insert him into their teams top 6…lol.

5 mars 2022 à 13 h 43

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Quoting: BigShoots

I think he's outplayed Hyman over the last couple years. Dom's model has him worth 12mil. I don't think he'll get anywhere near that but I'm think 6.5.-7.5m.

I think Hyamn is a good comparable to Rust. Although I’d take Rust. I bet Rust is closer to 5.5M than 7.5M. That’s for sure.

And Sid already talked to Letang, Rust and Geno. They owe Sid. Sid took a discount and told Letang, Rust and Geno it only works if they all take alittle discount when their contracts come up as well. You can find the interview anywhere. He already spoke on it a bunch of times. I think he says it in a barstool interview too.

5 mars 2022 à 13 h 48

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Disagree completely. A 27 year old 2 pairing LHD, top 20 in scoring D-man is worth 4M-5M in todays market easily. Dallas signed 37 year old Suter for 3.65M for 5 years..lol.

Kappy is still a legit top 6 wing; mid 6 at worst. Even playing poorly and in Sully’s doghouse; he had 30 points in 40 games last season(.75PPG) and 26 in 53 this season(.5PPG).

Still better than D.Gurianov the last 2 seasons and Gurianov is in Dallas’s top 6. And Kappy a better 200 foot player too. Better on PK as well.

I love people knock Kappy then trade for him and immediately insert him into their teams top 6…lol.

4 years actually for Suter. And yes I hate that contract, but it doesn't matter in this case at all.

And while yes, Matheson is playing one of the best years of his career, it's only one year and I'd hesitate to believe he could keep it up, as nothing from his career is pointing out that he's exactly a consistent performer. He could also lose this mojo he's currently having in Pittsburgh if traded about as quickly as he once did in Florida.

Kapanen has never been a top-6 winger. He's a mid-6 winger currently playing worse than your average bottom-6 winger. The guy has scored two goals this year and doesn't really contribute on defense either. He's not doing good and his value is very questionable right now. By this standard Gurianov is not exactly a top-6 winger either but I'd much rather use him in this role over Kappy. He has all the assets to become one with good speed, elite shot and actual willingness to go on the net and fight for it.

5 mars 2022 à 13 h 49

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Quoting: LetsGoPens69

I disagree. Hyamn is a good comparable to Rust. Although I’d take Rust.

And Sid already talked to Letang, Rust and Geno. They owe Sid. Sid took a discount and told Letang, Rust and Geno it only works if they all take alittle discount when their contracts come up as well. You can find the interview anywhere. He already spoke on it a bunch of times. I think he says it in a barstool interview too.

I doubt Rust was part of that conversation considering he hasn't made 50+ million over his career like the others. Like I say I could see a slight discount but in the 5 mil range would be an insane steal. It's not realistic. 5 x 7 would be a nice deal for the Pens.

To compare Rust and Hyman in Dom's model it has Rust worth 11.9 mil and Hyman worth 8.3. They're both playing with world class centers and it's not the worst comparison but Rust is outproducing/outplaying Hyman by a fairly significant margin.

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5 mars 2022 à 13 h 55

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Quoting: justaBoss

This is not one of Matheson’s best years of his careers?? How do u think he got that contract?? Have u ever looked at his stats..lol. Go look at his stats. Super consistent as a scoring D-man.

And Wrong again. Kappy plays on Geno’s wing all season. Before that it was Heinen/Carter/Kappy on the 2nd line. Acouple games Sully tried Carter on Geno’s wing. But Kappy is already back on the 2nd line. Kappy played along side Matthews on Leafs 1st line too. So u are completely wrong.

And Kappy has 9 goals this season. Same as Gurianov. And Kappy has been a 20 goal scorer.

5 mars 2022 à 13 h 57

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Quoting: BigShoots

I’ve seen the interview and Sid say it 6-10 times when talking about signing his contract and having to extent Letang/Geno/Rust this offseason. So I’ll take your word over Sids..lol.

I disagree. I bet Rust is closer to 5.5M than 7.5M. . 6M for 5 seasons is a 30M contract. That’s a huge NHL contract.

5 mars 2022 à 14 h 2

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Like I say 7 mil would be a discount. And do you really think Sid would ask a guy who's career earnings are 14 million at 29 to take more of discount? He has a chance to sign 6 x 8 probably somewhere but Sid ask him to take 5 so he's gonna do that. Is that what you think?

Any chance you can link to Sid saying that? I'd be shocked if he brought up Rust's name knowing Sid's character.

5 mars 2022 à 14 h 7

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Quoting: BigShoots

Like I said, I bet he gets closer to 5.5M than 7.5M.

And Dude yes, I believe What Sid has said numerous times over what u think.

He’s said it in every interview in the last 5 years when talking about him signing his contract and taking a discount. And again this season when talking about having to resign Letang, Geno, AND RUST.

I’m not looking through interviews and time stamping where he says it. It’s literally everywhere. I think his spitting chicklets interview he even says it. And yes says Letang, Geno and Rust.

I don’t care if you doubt Rust was part of that conversation..lol.

5 mars 2022 à 14 h 19

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Quoting: BigShoots

Here dude. I went though the interview. And of course it was all the way at the end of this interview..lol.

I knew he said it in this interview though and talks about players taking less and not cashing in to keep the core together and win.

https://youtu.be/jzZxLTUMr00

106:15 he starts talking about it. Quote- “taking alittle less doesn’t work unless EVERYONE takes alittle less”.

And he’s said it numerous times this season too when asked about resigning Geno, Letang AND RUST.

He says I took a hometown discount so everyone can get more and we can afford to put a championship team on the ice.

Rust has been an “A” for the Pens. He’s definitely involved in “everyone” and in conversations about keeping the core in Pittsburgh.

And like I said, Sid has said just that when asked about resigning Letang, Geno AND RUST this offseason. Rust can take 5.75M instead of 6M to stay in pittsburgh. Or 6.5M instead of 7M in your mind. He owes to Sid not pittsburgh.

https://thehockeywriters.com/penguins-rust-like-hyman-and-maple-leafs/

I actually think only 2 out of 3 get extended in pittsburgh though. It might be Rust and Geno. Might be Rust and Letang. Might be Geno and Letang. I think one probably goes elsewhere. I hope not, but thats me being super realistic.

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5 mars 2022 à 14 h 24

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And Dude yes, I believe What Sid has said numerous times over what u think.

He’s said it in every interview in the last 5 years when talking about him signing his contract and taking a discount. And again this season when talking about having to resign Letang, Geno, AND RUST.

I’m not looking through interviews and time stamping where he says it. It’s literally everywhere. I think his spitting chicklets interview he even says it. And yes says Letang, Geno and Rust.

I don’t care if you doubt Rust was part of that conversation..lol.

I know the quote you mean Crosby says something to the effect "taking a discount only works if everyone does it". I've never heard him utter names in that breath though. I would be astonished if he mentioned a guy like Rust who's made very little in his career. If you could ever find that I'd love to see it. Don't worry about a time stamp either

All that is beside the point though. Model's suggest Rust is worth 12, I don't think he'll get near that but taking 7 would be a huge discount. I think he could get 8 elsewhere. 5.5 is wishful thinking but maybe Sid can ask Mario if Rust can live in his guesthouse for free for the duration who knows.

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5 mars 2022 à 14 h 38

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Quoting: BigShoots

Like I said, he doesn’t mention their names. But is asked “have you guys talked about keeping the core together and retiring in pittsburgh” or something like that.

Or something like”what do u think about extensions for Geno, Letang, Rust this offseason”.

And he says; I took a hometown discount so everyone could get alittle more and we could afford players if we need them. And it doesn’t work unless”everyone” takes alittle less.

I’ve heard him say it literally 6-10 times when asked similar questions. He does that often too; repeats answers.

Rust has been an “A” for the Pens. He’s definitely involved in “everyone” and in conversations about keeping the core in Pittsburgh.

Rust can take 5.75M instead of 6M to stay in pittsburgh. Or 6.5-6.75M instead of 7M in your mind. He owes to Sid not pittsburgh.

5 mars 2022 à 14 h 43

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Quoting: LetsGoPens69

If he's only asking for 6 then maybe 5.5 is in the realm of possibility. He is a far superior player to Hyman though, I don't love that comparison. Let's see what number he ends up at. If he signs for 6 I'd call that a big team discount.

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