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Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 1 mars 2022
Publié: 1 mars 2022
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*Disclaimer*
This roster is banking entirely on Campbell figuring his stuff out again

Last year Anders Lee was placed on LTIR around a month before the TDL and stayed there until the post-season where he was expected to play but the Islanders got eliminated first. At the trade deadline NYI used that newly available LTIR cap space to add Kyle Palmieri, Travis Zajac, and Braydon Coburn.

Similarly Toronto has placed Muzzin on LTIR for the foreseeable future and can also make use of his provided available cap space. However I am making a bit more "big moves" here.

Here is a breakdown of the trades and my though process

New Jersey:
First off moving on from Holl is probably a must at this point. He's a serviceable #5 that can fill in for a top 4 role if needed but he cannot be a mainstay on any team trying to contend. On a secondary note, you can't just move on from him without a suitable replacement either. Severson is a proven top 4 RD with an excellent defensive game (yes Leafs fans, he is excellent defensively even though the 2 games you watched him play he did not look good). He can move the puck well and kills penalties.
He won't be cheap though as I have Jersey retaining 50% of his remaining 2 years here. I feel like if Jersey is selling their multi year top 4 RD they would want a good RD prospect coming back as well as Holl working as a stopgap here for them.

Someone Like DeMelo could also work here but I find it very unlikely that Winnipeg will retain on him even if made available

Arizona:
I saw a similar proposal recently that was in response to the Washington game last night where (similarly to the Calgary game not long ago) Toronto just got ragdolled around at points. This is likely something that needs to be addressed for the playoffs. I think Crouse would fit that perfectly, he's a proven powerhouse of a forward that is massive, hits a lot, and is not afraid to get scrummy or stand up for his team. He also helps fill that question mark on Toronto's LW depth.
Again, similar to Severson he won't be cheap since he's a pending RFA. I think Arizona would have extended interest in local kid Matthew Knies to be part of a deal here.

Seattle:
I think Gio is the perfect short term replacement for Muzzin here. Proven leader with an excellent 2-way game. Only a rental so you don't have to worry about his age. Excellent PKer and solid on the PP with a bomb of a shot. Hard working and always engaged. Not afraid to get scrummy after the whistle. Proven chemistry with Brodie. Likely wants to chase a cup
List just goes on and on here.
I think Toronto should use what remaining cap space they have after addressing other needs to acquire him. If Muzzin returns then he can be moved down to the 3rd pair with either Lyubushkin, Sandin, Liljegren, or Dermott and that is some really respectable defensive depth.
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1 mars 2022 à 22 h 59
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@MrDinkiee thoughts?
1 mars 2022 à 23 h 8
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Wow, talk about emptying the system. Not only N.Robertson, a 2022 1st and 2nd, and a ‘23 2nd. But Topi Niemela and M.Knies too.

I think they could get a lot more for Knies and a 2nd.

And a lot more for Niemela and a 1st.

I think the Giordano trade works though. Probably a prospect and a 2nd is right with them retaining some salary too. And giving back a high 4th rounder.
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Severson is not excellent defensively. He's good, but not excellent. It's his offense and puck moving ability that make him the player he is.
1 mars 2022 à 23 h 41
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I like it but man is it a tough pill to swallow lul. Like I dont think Niemela is being traded period so probs switch him for Robertson

Crouse I believe is not for sale as apparently Arizona wants to keep him along with that goalie Vajmelka or something...

Anyways pretty interesting

That Dcore especially once Muzzin comes back is scary

As you got

Puck moving machines in Rielly-Brodie

A mix of both worlds in Gio-Severson

And a Shutdown pair in Muzzin-Lybushkin
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I like it but man is it a tough pill to swallow lul. Like I dont think Niemela is being traded period so probs switch him for Robertson

Crouse I believe is not for sale as apparently Arizona wants to keep him along with that goalie Vajmelka or something...

Anyways pretty interesting

That Dcore especially once Muzzin comes back is scary

As you got

Puck moving machines in Rielly-Brodie

A mix of both worlds in Gio-Severson

And a Shutdown pair in Muzzin-Lybushkin


Oh for sure, that is one hell of a pill to swallow. It even hurt me when making it, just felt like so much to send out. I feel like no team should have to add this much but it does feel like Toronto has some really frustrating holes
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Wow, talk about emptying the system. Not only N.Robertson, a 2022 1st and 2nd, and a ‘23 2nd. But Topi Niemela and M.Knies too.

I think they could get a lot more for Knies and a 2nd.

And a lot more for Niemela and a 1st.


I think the Giordano trade works though. Probably a prospect and a 2nd is right with them retaining some salary too. And giving back a high 4th rounder.


I think you are overrating prospects vs proven players here. 1.5 years of Severson at just over 2M is really good and he's a massive upgrade on Holl in the top 4. 1.5+ years of Cruse is worth a lot, he is an effective player that provides a much needed grit that a lot of teams would want.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't expect a deadline like this. BrisBois may have the balls to go all in like this but most GM's dont. I do think the Gio trade is a legitimate thing that could happen though
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I think you are overrating prospects vs proven players here. 1.5 years of Severson at just over 2M is really good and he's a massive upgrade on Holl in the top 4. 1.5+ years of Cruse is worth a lot, he is an effective player that provides a much needed grit that a lot of teams would want.


I understand what NHL teams pay for young, proven NHL players.

And I understand what top 100 prospect plus 1st and 2nd round picks go for as well. And all 3 of M.Knies, Topi Niemela, and Nic Robertson are top 100 prospects.

Nic Robertson has been a top 100 prospect for acouple years. And close to NHL ready.

Topi Niemela is one of the best offensive D-man prospects(actually 2-way D-man prospect). And he’s Right-Handed. Killed it in WJ’s and for Liiga. Climbed up all the prospects rankings and still climbing.

Knies had one of the best freshman’s college hockey seasons in recent memory.

I bet Knies and Niemela are top 50 prospects. And Nic Robertson has been top 50 prospect for the past 2-3 years(although I’m not as high on him).


If all 3 drafts were done over, all 3 would be 1st round picks.

Be like trading C.Zary, M.Coronato and J.Pelletier(plus a 1st and two 2nd) for Crouse, Severson and Giordano.
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Holl has a very good game last night....Is Severson really that much of an upgrade? Gee in his two games against the Leafs he was among the worse Dmen on the ice.
Yeah, Crouse is nice, but really he doesn't add much that Leafs don't already have at left wing.
Find it hard to believe that any team would trade two top prospects, a 1st and 2nd rounder and 20 minute a night RHD for Crouse and Severson. But for some reason the Leafs have to overpay for positions for marginal help if at all.
Giordano might be the best add possible.
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Holl has a very good game last night....Is Severson really that much of an upgrade? Gee in his two games against the Leafs he was among the worse Dmen on the ice.
Yeah, Crouse is nice, but really he doesn't add much that Leafs don't already have at left wing.
Find it hard to believe that any team would trade two top prospects, a 1st and 2nd rounder and 20 minute a night RHD for Crouse and Severson. But for some reason the Leafs have to overpay for positions for marginal help if at all.
Giordano might be the best add possible.


Holl has had 1 good game, and yes Severson is a clear upgrade, I feel like we've been over this. 2 games does not define a player.
Crouse adds a Wilson-lite package. He's pretty solid 2-way, cheap, hits a lot and hard, and will fight. Toronto doesn't have anyone that can do that, and that was evident in the Calgary and Washington games.
I completely understand finding it hard to believe that they would pay this much, I don't expect them to. (Severson is also retained here for the rest of this year and next)
It's not about the Leafs specifically being a team overpaying, I am just trying to address what I consider the holes on the roster.
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I understand what NHL teams pay for young, proven NHL players.

And I understand what top 100 prospect plus 1st and 2nd round picks go for as well. And all 3 of M.Knies, Topi Niemela, and Nic Robertson are top 100 prospects.

Nic Robertson has been a top 100 prospect for acouple years. And close to NHL ready.

Topi Niemela is one of the best offensive D-man prospects(actually 2-way D-man prospect). And he’s Right-Handed. Killed it in WJ’s and for Liiga. Climbed up all the prospects rankings and still climbing.

Knies had one of the best freshman’s college hockey seasons in recent memory.

I bet Knies and Niemela are top 50 prospects. And Nic Robertson has been top 50 prospect for the past 2-3 years(although I’m not as high on him).


If all 3 drafts were done over, all 3 would be 1st round picks.

Be like trading C.Zary, M.Coronato and J.Pelletier(plus a 1st and two 2nd) for Crouse, Severson and Giordano.



Coronato is more along the lines of Amirov who I did not include here.
I would rank Pelletier about the same but a bit above Robertson.
Zary and Knies might be similar value but I think most people would choose Zary between the 2 without question.

I understand your point but it's not a great comparison. As for the value, it all depends on what teams need. Calgary doesn't need any of those players, if anything they need an upgrade on Monahan.

I see it like this. Tampa traded the equivalent of 3 1st rounders for 2 cheap 3rd liners with 1.5 years of term. Those trades were key factors in their back to back cups.
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Coronato is more along the lines of Amirov who I did not include here.
I would rank Pelletier about the same but a bit above Robertson.
Zary and Knies might be similar value but I think most people would choose Zary between the 2 without question.

I understand your point but it's not a great comparison


TopiNiemela = Zary. Neimela is a RHD. Very valuable. Top 50 prospect and climbing.

Coronado = Knies. Again, Knies had one of the best freshman’s seasons in recent memory. Would be a top 15 pick if the draft was re-done.

Pelliter= Robertson.


**Just use this list as comparison, although I don’t always agree with Hockey writers articles. It’s a mid-season, 2022, top prospect list. They are all similar. They wouldn’t be too far off from any other rankings.

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

Coronado -55th, Knies-54th
Pelletier- 44th, Neimela-29th
C.Zary-39th, N.Robertson-20th.

Plus add a 1st round pick and two 2nd..lol.
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TopiNiemela = Zary. Neimela is a RHD. Very valuable. Top 50 prospect and climbing.

Coronado = Knies( again Knies had one of the best freshman’s seasons in recent memory). Would be a top 15 pick if the draft was re-done.

Pelliter= Robertson.

Plus add a 1st round pick and two 2nd.


Would you say Knies = Amirov then?
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Would you say Knies = Amirov then?


Yep, Knies and Neimela will be Toronoto’s top prospects on any upcoming reports/list.

**Just use this list as comparison, although I don’t always agree with Hockey writers articles. It’s a mid-season, 2022, top prospect list. They are all similar. They wouldn’t be too far off from any other rankings.

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

Coronado -55th, Knies-54th
Pelletier- 44th, Neimela-29th
C.Zary-39th, N.Robertson-20th.

Plus add a 1st round pick and two 2nd..lol.

Edit****

https://editorinleaf.com/2022/02/10/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-pool/

2 weeks ago report.
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Yep, Knies and Neimela will be Toronoto’s top prospects on any upcoming reports/list.

**Just use this list as comparison, although I don’t always agree with Hockey writers articles. It’s a mid-season, 2022, top prospect list. They are all similar. They wouldn’t be too far off from any other rankings.

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/

Coronado -55th, Knies-54th
Pelletier- 44th, Neimela-29th
C.Zary-39th, N.Robertson-20th.

Plus add a 1st round pick and two 2nd..lol.

https://editorinleaf.com/2022/02/10/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-pool/

2 weeks ago report.


That list is written by a Leafs reporter, the fact that Pelletier while being arguably the top forward prospect in the AHL is 44th and Robertson is 20th is some relatively clear bias.
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That list is written by a Leafs reporter, the fact that Pelletier while being arguably the top forward prospect in the AHL is 44th and Robertson is 20th is some relatively clear bias.


No it’s not.

The hockey writers list is a top 100 prospect list. Mid season 2022.
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No it’s not. The hockey writers list is a top 100 prospect list.


That doesn't change who wrote this specific list, Baracchini is almost strictly a Leafs reporter
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That doesn't change who wrote this specific list, Baracchini is almost strictly a Leafs reporter


2 different things. You ask Amorov=knies. I replied “any Leaf’s report will even rank Knies ahead of Amirov”. So I edited and posted a leafs report for their teams top prospects.

The hockey writers list is a top 100 prospects in the NHL.
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2 different things. You ask Amorov=knies. I replied “any Leaf’s reported will even rank Knies ahead of Amirov”. So I edited and posted a leafs reporters list for their teams top prospects.

The hockey writers list is a top 100 prospects in the NHL. Not written by leafs reporter.


Ok sure, if you want to rank Knies above Amirov that's fine.

I don't get how its confusing to you that Baracchini is a leafs reporter. You can literally click on his name and see what articles he writes. He wrote that top 100 list, he does not nod all the top 100 lists
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Ok sure, if you want to rank Knies above Amirov that's fine.

I don't get how its confusing to you that Baracchini is a leafs reporter. You can literally click on his name and see what articles he writes. He wrote that top 100 list, he does not nod all the top 100 lists


Either way.

Knies= Coronado

Neimela= Zary

Robertson= Pelletier
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Either way.

Knies= Coronado

Neimela= Zary

Robertson= Pelletier


Agree to disagree then
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Agree to disagree then


They are even close as far as NHL readiness too. Zary maybe alittle ahead of Niemela. Just b/c Niemela is in Liiga and not on US ice yet.

But If that draft was done over; Niemela would be drafted ahead of Zary. Niemela is leading Liiga in scoring and is a RHD.

2022 draft done over. Knies would be a top 15 pick as well.

Pelletier and Robertson even have the same knock; their size.
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They are even close as far as NHL readiness too. Zary maybe alittle ahead of Niemela. Just b/c Niemela is in Liiga and not on US ice yet.

But If that draft was done over; Niemela would be drafted ahead of Zary. Niemela is leading Liiga in scoring and is a RHD.


That is merely your own opinion. The Athletic did a redraft for 2020 and had Zary at 22nd and Niemela at 34th

Niemela isn't leading Liiga in scoring he is 34th (32 in pts/g) league wide, 5th amoung defensemen, and 4th on his own team.

Quoting: LetsGoPens69
2022 draft done over. Knies would be a top 15 pick as well.


This is just pure bias from you, far too early to hold any legitimacy. Top 15 is troll af, this is like when all the Leafs fans were saying "Robertson would have gone top 10 in a redraft" 2 years ago.

I am not saying Toronto's prospects are bad, on the contrary they are quite solid. But you have some crazy bias takes here
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MrDinkiee thoughts?


I can't see Knies moving as well as Niemela, teams have been apparently calling on those two prospects and EF confirmed that Dubas isn't moving them
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I can't see Knies moving


That seems to be a consensus among leafs fans. To me he is just the new shiny toy, like Robertson was 2 years ago. Good prospect just has a boatload of hype around him right now.
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That seems to be a consensus among leafs fans. To me he is just the new shiny toy, like Robertson was 2 years ago. Good prospect just has a boatload of hype around him right now.


I updated my post, but I agree there was hype around Robertson, but the concern was his size. Matthew Knies is a power forward in the making, he has size and the physicality, he played against adults (Olympics), and Robertson hasn't during his development
 
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