Awful for Winnipeg.

These trades of multiple firsts ++ need to stop. Its not a thing.

Well, in fairness, Mark Scheifele getting traded isn’t a thing either. But if he were to be traded, it would require at least two (2) 1sts.

Ehhhhh I’m not so sure. Turning 29 in under a month. Seems like there’s been a bit of a decline.

Tell that to Brad & Patrice.

Were they showing decline at that age? Pretty sure the weren’t. Think you missed a couple pretty key concepts here.

Yeah, Scheifele isn’t either. You are clearly just making assumptions.

No I’ve just watched him play the last two years.

You know being over a point per game last season is clearly a decline lol - that being said, we all know MS isn't being moved and if he was, I have to imagine it would be a similar package as Eichel got so multiple 1st's etc may not be in the books.

Yeah, you must have been watching his jock strap rather than his actual play. You win man, Scheifele has declined and he’s only worth a 2nd rounder, “buyer beware”.

I didn’t say he was bad. I didn’t say he wasn’t very very good. I didn’t even say he wasn’t elite. I just said he’s declined a bit. It is very much a buyer beware situation, and given his age, and the loss of maybe a quarter step, i don’t think he’s worth two firsts+++, because not many players in this league are.

I don’t get the thing going on on this board where someone says a player isn’t perfect and a fanbase (looking at you sharks fans) sarcastically respond in unison, “oh ya sure, he’s worth nothing.” There’s a gap the size of an ocean between two firsts+++ and a second rounder.

Brother - he’s just turning 29 years old.

He’s a 6’3” 210 - right handed shooting two-way power forward playing the premier hockey position of Center.

Over the past 7 years he’s averaged 34 goals & 49 assists (83 points) per 82 games played. He has continued that this season as well.

If he was “perfect” he’d be untouchable and probably be worth 5 first round picks + and wouldn’t be traded.

A player like him is EASILY worth two first round picks and much more. You’re trippin, sir.

A LOT of NHL forwards start to decline around age 29-30. Even a higher percentage of power forwards do. This isn’t rare.

Oh, cool. He’s not.

If you want to deny it, its fine. I’m not saying he’s bad, and maybe its just a blip on the radar, but his play has declined a hair. So has Bergerons. It happens. Burying your head in the sand is pretty sad though.

How is performing at a PPG clip signs of declining brother.

Fill us in.

*near point per game clip.
Last season was point per game +. So was the year before that. And the year before that. And the year before that. And the year before that.

Not this year though. Its his overall game. When i watch him he just doesn’t seem like the same threat.

Jesus Christ. Sorry brother he’s not performing at a point per game clip, he’s at .93333 points per game this year.

Yeah man he’s really dropped off.

Guy, just take ur L. Cuz ur dead wrong.

Well its a matter of opinion, so that’s kind of a lame take. If you think i “take an L,” on an anonymous Internet forum, I’m not that big of a loser….and i don’t talk like that because again, I’m not that big of a loser kid.

But lets quit with your stupidity here and just get back to the argument. I think you’ve fallen into this thing that fans do where they get really defensive. Do you think .93333 is bad? I don’t. I think its awesome. You know what’s better though? 1.125. That was Scheifele last year. You know what we call that? A decline. Could it be a blip? An outlier? Sure. But when I watch, I see a corresponding drop in play.

Now, because you seem to have such a difficult time grasping this concept, I’ll say it again: taht does not mean Scheifele is bad.

You’re grasping at straws with your baseless point that proves literally nothing.

I’m a fan of hockey and all of its players. I take an unbiased approach that most people like you and most Boston fans cannot comprehend. You could simply say you don’t like the player or think he’s worth that and that would be OK. But to say he’s taken a step back because he’s playing at a .9333 point per game clip, is just ridiculous.

How do you not get this? You get this, but you’re just trolling me, right?

One more time, for the people in the back: .93333 is really good! Scheifele is really good! 1.125 is even better! Scheifele used to be better!

What you just said in that last sentence was that its crazy to think that .93333 points per game is a step back. How is that not a step back from 1.125 points per game? You do realize that the number 2 is bigger than the number 1, right?

No, I’m not trolling you. You’re just being ridiculous. And you’re trolling yourself.

Answer me this:

If a guy scores 40 goals one year and then 35 the next.. you think that means he’s not as good as he was the year before ?

Not necessarily. You were the one that tried to reduce this to numbers.

I said i saw a dip in numbers and a corresponding dip in play. Often times its something else. Dumb luck. A lower shooting percentage. Linemates. Team performance. Coaching. Thats where watching comes in, and in my opinion theres a dip in production, and a corresponding dip in play…around the time in forwards careers where such a thing often happens.

I disagree. I’ve seen him play like he always has. This isn’t Ryan Kesler we’re talking about here. Scheifele is a hall of fame caliber player and I don’t see him slowing down for another 4-5 years easily.

I brought up numbers because you failed to mention anything substantiated to back your claim that he’s taken a step back or fallen off in any way. And then the fact that you tried to use the numbers to back your claim that he isn’t the same player he once was, just made u look foolish. But we can agree to disagree.

No. I can’t let such horrid logic go.

Again, you’re falling into this trap where because you’re a fan you get super defensive. Ryan Kesler? You realize there are degrees of decline, right? I’ve said so many times that i still think he’s really good, but i just think he’s slowed down a tiny bit, and somewhere in you’re head you still want to argue that he doesn’t suck. Stop. Its just a waste of time.

Did you make it past algebra? Do you really still not understand that 1.125 is a bigger number than .93333?

Agreeing to disagree on an anonymous website designed for discussion and debate is for the incorrect, and the weak.