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Giroux

Créé par: Preston_Mattesich
Publié: 15 févr. 2022 à 10 h 16
Plafond salarial: 81 500 000 $
Journées à la saison: 73/200 (37%)
Détermination du registraire central: Cette transaction a rempli les différents critères exigés par le registraire central de la LNH.

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La transaction a eu lieu alors que la LTIR est utilisée
Allègement provenant de la liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR): 10 583 333 $
Portion de la LTIR utilisée avant la transaction: 6 244 813 $
Transaction simultanéeStatut initialNouveau statutImpact sur la masse salarialeFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Allison, WadeRappel d'urgenceMineures-925 000 $-1-----------
DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Giroux, ClaudeFlyers de PhiladelphieLNH-8 275 000 $111---0000--
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Faulk, JustinBlues de St-LouisLNH-6 500 000 $111---0000--
Thomas, RobertBlues de St-LouisLNH-2 800 000 $111---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Blues de St-LouisSTL)---100------
Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Blues de St-LouisSTL)---001------
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (Logo de Blues de St-LouisSTL)---010------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial4 338 520 $2349703412
Variation-100 000 $011111
Final4 238 520 $ (↓)2350 (↑)71 (↑)4 (↑)5 (↑)13 (↑)000

Logo de Blues de St-LouisBlues de St-Louis

La transaction a eu lieu alors que la LTIR est utilisée
Allègement provenant de la liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR): 925 000 $
Portion de la LTIR utilisée avant la transaction: 750 000 $
DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Faulk, JustinBlues de St-LouisLNH-6 500 000 $111---0000--
Thomas, RobertBlues de St-LouisLNH-2 800 000 $111---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Blues de St-LouisSTL)---100------
Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Blues de St-LouisSTL)---001------
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (Logo de Blues de St-LouisSTL)---010------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Giroux, ClaudeFlyers de PhiladelphieLNH-8 275 000 $111---0000--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial175 000 $2344583512
Variation1 025 000 $-1-1-1-1-1-1
Final1 200 000 $ (↑)22 (↓)43 (↓)57 (↓)2 (↓)4 (↓)11 (↓)000
15 févr. 2022 à 10 h 39
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Dude, you're gonna set some STL fans off with this one. LOL
I don't think STL does Thomas straight up for Giroux. Not because he's better, but because he's a long term piece for them. This is just a gross overpayment (which I haven't seen a lot of for him...........most of the time fans are trying to get him for pennies on the dollar).
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15 févr. 2022 à 11 h 52
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Dude, you're gonna set some STL fans off with this one. LOL
I don't think STL does Thomas straight up for Giroux. Not because he's better, but because he's a long term piece for them. This is just a gross overpayment (which I haven't seen a lot of for him...........most of the time fans are trying to get him for pennies on the dollar).


I get Thomas has high value but Giroux takes them to the next level. By the time Thomas is in his prime St. Louis could be rebuilding. Faulk is basically a dump to make the cap work and the picks are mostly compensation for that. Also in this hypothetical, Giroux agrees to an extension before the trade. Giroux is still a top 25-30 player in the league imo and this is what he's worth.
15 févr. 2022 à 12 h 13
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This is one of the worst trades I’ve ever seen. Ever.
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15 févr. 2022 à 12 h 28
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Quoting: Preston_Mattesich
I get Thomas has high value but Giroux takes them to the next level. By the time Thomas is in his prime St. Louis could be rebuilding. Faulk is basically a dump to make the cap work and the picks are mostly compensation for that. Also in this hypothetical, Giroux agrees to an extension before the trade. Giroux is still a top 25-30 player in the league imo and this is what he's worth.


They can't afford Giroux at an extension at this point. He's gonna be looking at $8mil in the 3 year range. Thomas is a much better option long term. As well, where are they going to find a replacement for the almost 23 minute a night Faulk plays? (Not to mention a team best +27 which is tied for 9th best league wide and 3rd best among D men). If they're cap dumping him, Doug Armstrong should be fired lol
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15 févr. 2022 à 13 h 0
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They can't afford Giroux at an extension at this point. He's gonna be looking at $8mil in the 3 year range. Thomas is a much better option long term. As well, where are they going to find a replacement for the almost 23 minute a night Faulk plays? (Not to mention a team best +27 which is tied for 9th best league wide and 3rd best among D men). If they're cap dumping him, Doug Armstrong should be fired lol


Replace Faulk with the next guy up, it doesn't really matter. +/- is a fake stat. Analytically, Faulk is around 40% in xGF% against teams with a win percentage higher than 450 while averaging under a 50% xGF% in total, and just barely averages a 50% Corsi%. Hes a dump that is overpaid to play well against terrible teams. I get the argument about thomas and questions around a Giroux extension, but if anything is terribly wrong with this trade, its not faulk going the other way (at least for St. Louis).
15 févr. 2022 à 13 h 14
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Replace Faulk with the next guy up, it doesn't really matter. +/- is a fake stat. Analytically, Faulk is around 40% in xGF% against teams with a win percentage higher than 450 while averaging under a 50% xGF% in total, and just barely averages a 50% Corsi%. Hes a dump that is overpaid to play well against terrible teams. I get the argument about thomas and questions around a Giroux extension, but if anything is terribly wrong with this trade, its not faulk going the other way (at least for St. Louis).


Oh dear sweet heavens. You bash +/- as a fake start, then immediately turn around and pump up a stat that is exactly expected +/-. And then you bring up expected chances +/-. That could not be funnier if you brought Robin Williams back form the dead to act it out. Faulk is in no way, shape or form a cap dump, and the fact that you imagine he is, well, it's both gobsmacking and completely telling about the level of Blues knowledge we're dealing with here. Faulk has been an absolute horse for two seasons now.

So yeah, your trade idea is beyond garbage. It would need to rise 42 levels just to reach garbage. A Giroux rental does not come even remotely close to getting you Thomas by himself. It does not come close to getting you Faulk by himself. It sure as hell does not get you both. And it sure as hell does not get you this rape and pillage return.

Good grief, man. EVERYTHING is wrong with this trade.
 
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