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Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 4 janv. 2022
Publié: 4 janv. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (MTL)
ARI
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (CAR)
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    3 WAY TRADE : AZ WILL RETAIN ANOTHER 50% on Price. So (50% of 5,25M) = 2,65M.

    Giving Weber contract to AZ will help them get to the cap floor with insurance money not theirs. They also get a prospect and 2 pick as compensation.
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    1. Price, Carey (5 250 000 $ retained)
    2. Weber, Shea
    3. Ylönen, Jesse
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    5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
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    1. Bourgault, Xavier [Liste de réserve]
    2. Holloway, Dylan
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    1. Chiarot, Ben (1 750 000 $ retained)
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    4 janv. 2022 à 9 h 52
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    with those trades edmonton doesnt even make the playoffs.
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    4 janv. 2022 à 9 h 54
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    Quoting: JaredOfLondon
    with those trades edmonton doesnt even make the playoffs.


    Lol sayin EDM don't make the playoff adding Price et Chariot and moving Kosk that's non-sense. Considering Price alone put ur team in vacation in the last playoff
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    4 janv. 2022 à 9 h 58
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    Lol sayin EDM don't make the playoff adding Price et Chariot and moving Kosk that's non-sense


    well chariot is just bad and price has been so bad for like 95% of the last 3 years that montreal either missed the playoffs or would have missed them in a normal season. Hell, Koskinen has had better numbers than price 2 out of the last 3 seasons.
    But sure, nonsense right?
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    4 janv. 2022 à 10 h 4
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    well chariot is just bad and price has been so bad for like 95% of the last 3 years that montreal either missed the playoffs or would have missed them in a normal season. Hell, Koskinen has had better numbers than price 2 out of the last 3 seasons.
    But sure, nonsense right?


    I can understand that moving Price at 10,5M is impossible and a bad move for any team. But I will take Price at 2,65M anyday of the week before Kosk or Smith. Any GM, analyst or someone with common sense will agree that Price can be a top goaltender again. Man even Doug Armstrong and Team Canada was giving him the #1 spot as goaltender if he was ready to play.

    As of Chariot he proved that he can be on the ice for 24+min of the ice and being good. Again the consensus for him it's a 1st round pick at the deadline. So I don't really care if ur argument is : Chariot is just bad lol.
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    4 janv. 2022 à 10 h 9
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    I can understand that moving Price at 10,5M is impossible and a bad move for any team. But I will take Price at 2,65M anyday of the week before Kosk or Smith. Any GM, analyst or someone with common sense will agree that Price can be a top goaltender again. Man even Doug Armstrong and Team Canada was giving him the #1 spot as goaltender if he was ready to play.

    As of Chariot he proved that he can be on the ice for 24+min of the ice and being good. Again the consensus for him it's a 1st round pick at the deadline. So I don't really care if ur argument is : Chariot is just bad lol.


    Price is 34 years old, hasnt played at all this season and even at 50% retained his contract is awful. Added to the fact that he has been bad for years and that is just a terrible terrible gamble. Any GM, analyst or someone with common sense will agree that is a bad move and the likelyhood of price being a top goalie again is negligible.

    As for chariot, he proved that he can be on the ice for 24+ mins and get absolutly hammered out there. Like hilariously so, he gets murdered in shots and chances against. He's just awful and when he doenst have a selke candidate and goalie putting up insane numbers he's exposed for what he is.
    There is no consensus that it's a 1st round pick value for him, it was literally one mention by Lebrun that people have clung onto like it is gospel because they really really really want him to be worth that. I dont care what your argument is, literally all evidence points to him as being terrible.
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    Price is 34 years old, hasnt played at all this season and even at 50% retained his contract is awful. Added to the fact that he has been bad for years and that is just a terrible terrible gamble. Any GM, analyst or someone with common sense will agree that is a bad move and the likelyhood of price being a top goalie again is negligible.

    As for chariot, he proved that he can be on the ice for 24+ mins and get absolutly hammered out there. Like hilariously so, he gets murdered in shots and chances against. He's just awful and when he doenst have a selke candidate and goalie putting up insane numbers he's exposed for what he is.
    There is no consensus that it's a 1st round pick value for him, it was literally one mention by Lebrun that people have clung onto like it is gospel because they really really really want him to be worth that. I dont care what your argument is, literally all evidence points to him as being terrible.


    1- EDM are not getting Price at 50% but at 75% retention.

    2- I love how you said that Price is terrible but after you explain that Chariot is only good because our goalie puts INSANE NUMBER lol.

    3- Lebrun Friedman Seravalli all said that MTL will get a 1st for Chariot. But ok, JaredofLondon say hes terrible.
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    4 janv. 2022 à 10 h 20
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    1- EDM are not getting Price at 50% but at 75% retention.

    2- I love how you said that Price is terrible but after you explain that Chariot is good because our goalie puts INSANE NUMBER lol.

    3- Lebrun Friedman Seravalli all said that MTL will get a 1st for Chariot. But ok, JaredofLondon say hes terrible.


    1-75% isnt much better
    2-any goalie can put together a month of good play. It literally happens all the time, and the fact that there is over 3 years of data around him being bad around that run prove it.
    3-when reporters quote other reporters you still only have one source. And even if Chariot does get a 1st from some dumb GM that doesnt mean he's worth it. Unless you wanna pretend that every trade ever was actually good because that's what a GM paid for him. Chariot stinks even if maspersp4 is too lazy to look at all the numbers that prove he does
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    4 janv. 2022 à 11 h 25
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    Quoting: JaredOfLondon
    Price is 34 years old, hasnt played at all this season and even at 50% retained his contract is awful. Added to the fact that he has been bad for years and that is just a terrible terrible gamble. Any GM, analyst or someone with common sense will agree that is a bad move and the likelyhood of price being a top goalie again is negligible.

    As for chariot, he proved that he can be on the ice for 24+ mins and get absolutly hammered out there. Like hilariously so, he gets murdered in shots and chances against. He's just awful and when he doenst have a selke candidate and goalie putting up insane numbers he's exposed for what he is.
    There is no consensus that it's a 1st round pick value for him, it was literally one mention by Lebrun that people have clung onto like it is gospel because they really really really want him to be worth that. I dont care what your argument is, literally all evidence points to him as being terrible.

    Whether you like it or not, Chiarot is getting a 1st. Up to half a dozens contenders are interested according to Friedman/Lebrun so so you know one is going to give the late 1st. If Savard got a 1st, Chiarot at least money will get a first.
    Sorry if you don’t like it, he’s not worth a 1st, but it is what it is.

    All I know, is Edmonton is tanking and they need a goalie ASAP.
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    4 janv. 2022 à 11 h 32
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    Quoting: mastersp4
    I can understand that moving Price at 10,5M is impossible and a bad move for any team. But I will take Price at 2,65M anyday of the week before Kosk or Smith. Any GM, analyst or someone with common sense will agree that Price can be a top goaltender again. Man even Doug Armstrong and Team Canada was giving him the #1 spot as goaltender if he was ready to play.

    As of Chariot he proved that he can be on the ice for 24+min of the ice and being good. Again the consensus for him it's a 1st round pick at the deadline. So I don't really care if ur argument is : Chariot is just bad lol.


    I could not agree more. Edmonton is a playoff team with their goaltending (which, what we can all agree, needs an upgrade). If they can make the playoffs with Koskinen and Smith, they can make the playoffs with regular season Price. But you're not trading for "regular season" Price: you're trading for all-world, playoff Price. A late first round pick for a shot at the Cup? Look, I'm not a Canadiens fan, but sign me up for that! He's still an incredible talent (though he would have to play a few games this season before any possible trade, which I don't think will happen soon. I think he stays, at least for this season).

    Chiarot is a physical, minute eating defenseman. He has been outstanding during the last two playoffs, and is basically built for them. Edmonton would have to probably shed some bad contracts, but the deal could work. (though I am certain to get hate for that opinion).
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    4 janv. 2022 à 11 h 39
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    Whether you like it or not, Chiarot is getting a 1st. Up to half a dozens contenders are interested according to Friedman/Lebrun so so you know one is going to give the late 1st. If Savard got a 1st, Chiarot at least money will get a first.
    Sorry if you don’t like it, he’s not worth a 1st, but it is what it is.

    All I know, is Edmonton is tanking and they need a goalie ASAP.


    Savard was 3x the defender chariot is when he got a 1st, and no, there are not half a dozen contenders offering that price for him.
    And like i have said many many times, just because a gm over pays does not mean a player is worth it, let alone good. And there isnt a single metric or whatever out there that says chariot is ok let alone good
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    I could not agree more. Edmonton is a playoff team with their goaltending (which, what we can all agree, needs an upgrade). If they can make the playoffs with Koskinen and Smith, they can make the playoffs with regular season Price. But you're not trading for "regular season" Price: you're trading for all-world, playoff Price. A late first round pick for a shot at the Cup? Look, I'm not a Canadiens fan, but sign me up for that! He's still an incredible talent (though he would have to play a few games this season before any possible trade, which I don't think will happen soon. I think he stays, at least for this season).

    Chiarot is a physical, minute eating defenseman. He has been outstanding during the last two playoffs, and is basically built for them. Edmonton would have to probably shed some bad contracts, but the deal could work. (though I am certain to get hate for that opinion).


    Chariot was the worst defender on his team by every scoring metric the last playoffs he was in. He was not good at all, and playing a lot doesnt change that
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    4 janv. 2022 à 11 h 43
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    Savard was 3x the defender chariot is when he got a 1st, and no, there are not half a dozen contenders offering that price for him.
    And like i have said many many times, just because a gm over pays does not mean a player is worth it, let alone good. And there isnt a single metric or whatever out there that says chariot is ok let alone good


    Well I don’t think anyone here actually cares if he is worth it or not. I think even most habs fans would say that he is not, myself included. That being said, what we do care about is if a GM is willing to pay that, and by all accounts there is interest at that price. Several insiders have said so.
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    Well I don’t think anyone here actually cares if he is worth it or not. I think even most habs fans would say that he is not, myself included. That being said, what we do care about is if a GM is willing to pay that, and by all accounts there is interest at that price. Several insiders have said so.


    no, a single insider has said so and others have parroted him as a source. And again, the issue has never been that a dumb GM will over pay, just that he isnt good. Which he isnt. Habs fans here really seem to think he is some sort of elite shut down defender who wasnt just riding price and danault's coattails while haemorrhaging scoring chances against
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    4 janv. 2022 à 11 h 52
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    no, a single insider has said so and others have parroted him as a source. And again, the issue has never been that a dumb GM will over pay, just that he isnt good. Which he isnt. Habs fans here really seem to think he is some sort of elite shut down defender who wasnt just riding price and danault's coattails while haemorrhaging scoring chances against


    In the playoffs last year, he was legitimately a very solid defender. You clearly didn’t watch. At the end of the day, I don’t think I or my fellow habs fans care what JaredOfLondon thinks of Ben Chiarot lol. It makes no difference. All we care about is if a GM is going to give a 1st. And no it hasn’t been insiders parroting what the other had previously said.
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    In the playoffs last year, he was legitimately a very solid defender. You clearly didn’t watch. At the end of the day, I don’t think I or my fellow habs fans care what JaredOfLondon thinks of Ben Chiarot lol. It makes no difference. All we care about is if a GM is going to give a 1st. And no it hasn’t been insiders parroting what the other had previously said.


    lol, i clearly did watch and he was mauled every single time against every single line he played against. Literally the worst shot and chance metrics of any player in the entire playoffs during that round. If it wasnt for Matthews' bad wrist and carey price going god mode they would have gotten swept. So clearly you didnt watch. And you seem to care a lot about what JaredOfLondon says because you keep replying.
    Habs fans just cant be happy that Ken Holland is gonna over pay them for a bad player they have to put up these weird airs about their bad players being good despite all evidence to the controversy.
    And yes, it was insiders parroting others.
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    Quoting: Lochness1202
    In the playoffs last year, he was legitimately a very solid defender. You clearly didn’t watch. .


    He watched but his tears disturbed his vision, then biased all of his Habs takes
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    4 janv. 2022 à 12 h 5
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    Sorry, but Arizona is going to want more that what was offered, as Price's contract is 5 years long. So, 2.65 million a year, over 5 years is 13.25 million in cap over the next 5 years. try at least 1 1st a 2nd and prospects.
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    lol, i clearly did watch and he was mauled every single time against every single line he played against. Literally the worst shot and chance metrics of any player in the entire playoffs during that round. If it wasnt for Matthews' bad wrist and carey price going god mode they would have gotten swept. So clearly you didnt watch. And you seem to care a lot about what JaredOfLondon says because you keep replying.
    Habs fans just cant be happy that Ken Holland is gonna over pay them for a bad player they have to put up these weird airs about their bad players being good despite all evidence to the controversy.
    And yes, it was insiders parroting others.

    Oh believe me, I’m happy that Holland will overpay hahaha
     
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