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Absolutely Must Step 2 TDL

Créé par: BatVader
Date de création initiale: 17 déc. 2021
Publié: 17 déc. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Jets de Winnipeg
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1.
WPG
  1. Pulock, Ryan
Détails additionnels:
Assuming an Isles rebuild
No retention needed.
NYI
  1. Schmidt, Nate
  2. Heinola, Ville
  3. Lucius, Chaz [Liste de réserve]
  4. 2022 1e round pick (WPG)
  5. 2024 3e round pick (WPG)
Détails additionnels:
Schmidt is a must for cap reasons.
Heinola is LHD prospect that plays both sides.
Lucius is 18 yr old C prospect drafted 18th OA last draft
2022 1st is lottery protected , top 10
2024 3rd is conditional…is Jets make WCF, it becomes 2nd… if Jets win Stanley Cup, it becomes a 1st
2.
WPG
  1. Appleton, Mason
  2. Soucy, Carson
Détails additionnels:
This trade should be done in December
SEA
  1. Dillon, Brenden
  2. 2023 4e round pick (WPG)
Détails additionnels:
This trade should be done in December
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
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2023
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $71 831 312 $145 122 $907 500 $9 668 688 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Connor, Kyle
7 142 857 $
AG
UFA - 5
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Scheifele, Mark
6 125 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 3
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Ehlers, Nikolaj
6 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
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Copp, Andrew
3 640 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Dubois, Pierre-Luc
5 000 000 $
C
RFA - 1
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Svechnikov, Evgeny
750 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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Stastny, Paul
3 750 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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Lowry, Adam
3 250 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 5
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Vesalainen, Kristian
894 167 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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Toninato, Dominic
750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
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Gustafsson, David
817 500 $
C
RFA - 1
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Appleton, Mason
900 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Morrissey, Joshua
6 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 7
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Pulock, Ryan
5 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
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Hellebuyck, Connor
6 166 666 $
G
UFA - 3
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Stanley, Logan
900 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
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Pionk, Neal
5 875 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
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Comrie, Eric
750 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Soucy, Carson
2 750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
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DeMelo, Dylan
3 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Harkins, Jansen
725 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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Little, Bryan
5 291 667 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 3
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Beaulieu, Nathan
1 250 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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Wheeler, Blake
8 250 000 $
AD, C
NMC
UFA - 3

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17 déc. 2021 à 21 h 25
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in the case of an islanders rebuild, that package is pretty solid. he does get a raise next year if that matters for the jets’ cap situation? but it’s 1.1mil so should be covered by the cap increase.
17 déc. 2021 à 21 h 31
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in the case of an islanders rebuild, that package is pretty solid. he does get a raise next year if that matters for the jets’ cap situation? but it’s 1.1mil so should be covered by the cap increase.


Yeah, i saw that..I took that into account… thanx
I was trying to give value for a signed long term #1 RD of his age and ability… wasn’t sure about Lucius, but glad it works. Really don’t want to move Perfetti as we don’t know what Scheifele is going to do and we might need Perfetti
17 déc. 2021 à 21 h 32
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whats the cost of heinola coming from MTL
i think we could use a prospect who can play right side
17 déc. 2021 à 21 h 47
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Modifié 17 déc. 2021 à 21 h 55
If the isles went into a rebuild (I doubt it) perfetti needs to be included in the deal.

Perfetti, Heinola, Schmidt + 2nd for Pulock is what it would have to look like
17 déc. 2021 à 21 h 54
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If the isles went into a rebuild (I doubt it) perfetti needs to be included in the deal. You can take out Lucius + the 1st and add a 2nd + perfetti


Perfetti isnt being moved
17 déc. 2021 à 21 h 56
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Perfetti isnt being moved


Neither is Pulock
17 déc. 2021 à 21 h 57
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Neither is Pulock


Fine with me

Pulock isn’t worth the upgrade to Schmidt by FAR with Perfetti
17 déc. 2021 à 22 h 5
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Fine with me

Pulock isn’t worth the upgrade to Schmidt by FAR with Perfetti


Fair value doesn’t get you Pulock. He’s an elite #1 defenseman on a bargain contract. Schmidt is a #4 at this point is his career.
17 déc. 2021 à 22 h 40
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Fair value doesn’t get you Pulock. He’s an elite #1 defenseman on a bargain contract. Schmidt is a #4 at this point is his career.


Pulock would get more if he was an elite #1

And u don’t watch Schmidt if u think he’s #4
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17 déc. 2021 à 22 h 44
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Quoting: HockeyFan989
Pulock would get more if he was an elite #1

And u don’t watch Schmidt if u think he’s #4


Pulock would have gotten 7.5-8 mill if he hit the open market. He took a discount.

I’ve watched a lot of Schmidt over the last two years. He doesn’t drive play as well as he used to. He’s a 2nd pair D
18 déc. 2021 à 0 h 32
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Pulock would have gotten 7.5-8 mill if he hit the open market. He took a discount.

I’ve watched a lot of Schmidt over the last two years. He doesn’t drive play as well as he used to. He’s a 2nd pair D


he took a discount but his numbers definitely dont suggest hes an elite #1

and Schmidt's looking really good, the past 2 years is old news
18 déc. 2021 à 0 h 34
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I wouldn't do this, the Jets defense isn't its issue, they can't fukkin score, need some forwards who can put the puck in the damn net.
18 déc. 2021 à 0 h 36
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he took a discount but his numbers definitely dont suggest hes an elite #1

and Schmidt's looking really good, the past 2 years is old news

His numbers do suggest he’s an elite #1

18 déc. 2021 à 10 h 22
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His numbers do suggest he’s an elite #1



He’s doesn’t have to offensive flair to be considered an elite #1 and he’s playing Trotz’s defence first system

Even if the site suggests he’s worth 8 when he just signed a 6 mill deal long term taking an apparent 25% pay cut elite #1’s still make more then 6-8
18 déc. 2021 à 10 h 26
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He’s doesn’t have to offensive flair to be considered an elite #1 and he’s playing Trotz’s defence first system

Even if the site suggests he’s worth 8 when he just signed a 6 mill deal long term taking an apparent 25% pay cut elite #1’s still make more then 6-8


Pulock is top 20 in offensive impact among defenseman over the last 4 years. It does not matter what he signed for - his analytics + overall impact show he was a top 15 Dman over the 3 seasons.
18 déc. 2021 à 19 h 48
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Pulock is top 20 in offensive impact among defenseman over the last 4 years. It does not matter what he signed for - his analytics + overall impact show he was a top 15 Dman over the 3 seasons.


Your a homer

I get it

I mean in my eyes Pionk’s an elite #1 as well
18 déc. 2021 à 20 h 15
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Your a homer

I get it

I mean in my eyes Pionk’s an elite #1 as well

The difference is pionks analytics show he’s a solid #2 D. I’d be a homer if I couldn’t prove Pulock is an elite #1. There isn’t a model out there that doesn’t have Pulock as a two way elite #1 D.

Pulock drives play offensively, when he’s on the ice the isles score goals at an elite rate, and he’s elite defensively. The numbers don’t lie
18 déc. 2021 à 20 h 36
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The difference is pionks analytics show he’s a solid #2 D. I’d be a homer if I couldn’t prove Pulock is an elite #1. There isn’t a model out there that doesn’t have Pulock as a two way elite #1 D.

Pulock drives play offensively, when he’s on the ice the isles score goals at an elite rate, and he’s elite defensively. The numbers don’t lie


I don’t do numbers, I watch games

And when I see Pulock i see a player who really good defensively with a bit of offence flair and him and his partner compliment each other really well while benefiting from Trotz defence first system

So mb, I agree he’s really good but can’t see him as an elite #1.. maybe my eyesight is bad lol idk but I got a good track record with this stuff imosmile
18 déc. 2021 à 21 h 16
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I don’t do numbers, I watch games

And when I see Pulock i see a player who really good defensively with a bit of offence flair and him and his partner compliment each other really well while benefiting from Trotz defence first system

So mb, I agree he’s really good but can’t see him as an elite #1.. maybe my eyesight is bad lol idk but I got a good track record with this stuff imosmile


Quoting: HockeyFan989
I don’t do numbers, I watch games

And when I see Pulock i see a player who really good defensively with a bit of offence flair and him and his partner compliment each other really well while benefiting from Trotz defence first system

So mb, I agree he’s really good but can’t see him as an elite #1.. maybe my eyesight is bad lol idk but I got a good track record with this stuff imosmile


So if the numbers say he’s an elite #1, we’re supposed to take your eye test as a better indicator of Pulocks impact? So you watch every isles game and focus solely on Pulock right?

Trotz system hasn’t changed the trajectory of any defenseman on the isles, they don’t benefit at all actually. The isles were good because Pelech and Pulock are elite , not because they benefited from Trotz system
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20 déc. 2021 à 12 h 9
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So if the numbers say he’s an elite #1, we’re supposed to take your eye test as a better indicator of Pulocks impact? So you watch every isles game and focus solely on Pulock right?

Trotz system hasn’t changed the trajectory of any defenseman on the isles, they don’t benefit at all actually. The isles were good because Pelech and Pulock are elite , not because they benefited from Trotz system


Well mods blocked my comment go figure

So much for constructive conversation

So sum it up I basically said I don’t believe Pulock’s an elite #1, his contract is a steal but he’s still lacking to reach that tier.. more so on the offensive side, feel the same when looking at the numbers and watching him play

Everybody has their own thoughts those r just mine
20 déc. 2021 à 12 h 14
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Well mods blocked my comment go figure

So much for constructive conversation

So sum it up I basically said I don’t believe Pulock’s an elite #1, his contract is a steal but he’s still lacking to reach that tier.. more so on the offensive side, feel the same when looking at the numbers and watching him play

Everybody has their own thoughts those r just mine


Pulock’s offensive impact is better than his defensive impact. That’s the best part of his game. The fact that he’s also great defensively is what makes him an elite #1. There are very few Defenseman in the NHL who can make an impact at both ends of the ice at a high level. The numbers say he is elite and most people who watch him play know he’s dominant in all 3 zones

 
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