Oilers need more long term money being sent out. Flames would probably rather have Toffoli over Hoffman

Capitals don’t need to spend a 1st on a overrated LSD. MF is better and younger. Orlov is A LOT better. TVR has been fantastic. Basically giving up the better players while adding … seems dumb imo


BC
47.98cf% 45.17FF% 45.25xgf%
Schultz
52.87cf% 53.33FF% 52.47xgf%

Schultz is WAY better. You should be paying us

Drury laughs and hangs up

Conditions on the Leafs picks are a non-starter. When you are potentially trading 3 1st round picks, you are getting a lot more than that.

Easy no from Caps, why would they give up an equal player (if not better) AND add a 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder and young player with upside?

You have like six 1st rounders too many going to the Habs in these trades, the only one I see getting Habs a 1st is Toffoli. Price isn't getting moved and Habs won't retain over 3 mil for six seasons on Gallagher's contract.

As a non-Habs/non-Caps fan, I don't disagree that it's a massive overpay, but I do want to point out that Chiarot starts 41.1% of his shifts in the d-zone, vs. Schultz starting 59.5% (even strength)...So, Chiarot's cf%/FF% is +6.3%/+4.1%, whereas Schultz is -6.9% (Niiiiice)/-6.8%...

Comparing offensive/defensive dmen based on possession stats is a tough game. I absolutely think that Habs fans overrate Chiarot, and would be blown away if someone offers up a 1st for him, but I'd also caution against writing off the benefits of a defensive defenceman (Again, this trade is easily double what he's worth though).

If Calgary is willing to give the same kinda package for Toffoli... All i see on here is Monahan for Toffoli and I am not really interested.

If Price is willing, he will be traded. If a team wants to only pay Gallagher $3M, they need to pay for retention. No amount of keyboard warriors can pretend Price and Gallagher don't hold value in the eyes of NHL GMs. And Chiarot is locked in for a 1st as per rumours, so your "Only Toffoli" take is already proving you dont value Canadiens players enough...

I saw a $4M defenseman on the 3rd line in their depth charts. I assumed Schultz was more of a cap dump. My bad. People in these comments always expect posters to know 800+ players intimately.

Chiarot will get at least a first, the price is set and met every year for players like him. He is better than Savard, Tampa paid a 1st, 3rd and 4th (to Detroit for Cap Space). Montreal can accommodate the cap space dump, so no 3rd team required. According to draft pick value calculators, a late third and late fourth hold more value than a late 2nd.

So i guess i got the Cap Dump part wrong... Chairot's a monster in the playoffs, yet every ACGM commenter says he's garbage.... ok... I guess that's why none of them are managing a team.

I don't think everyone thinks he's garbage, it's just that GM's have typically overvalued big RD's > big LD's.

There's a few things to remember, the last expiring LD that netted a 1st in a trade was Keith Yandle in 2015. There's also a larger group of LD's that will likely be available at the deadline than there will be RD's. Guys like Hampus Lindholm, Nick Leddy, Gio, etc. all stand a good chance of ending up on the block, which will drive the price down even further.

Can he net a late 1st? Sure. Will he? I absolutely doubt it. I'd bet a mid-late 2nd+ok prospect is far more likely than stealing a teams 1st rounder in a stacked draft.

Wildly optimistic returns to Montreal. In some cases no appreciation of other teams long term cap.

Examples?

Retain 50% and the Rangers accept.

Habs could, I think retaining on Price, Gallagher would be a "must". Ideally Petry would be the third, but hes been BAD this year playing through injury. I would retain on Toffoli, but $2M cap savings isnt free.

I agree that Price and Gallagher retentions should take priority. The 2nd round pick would be the cost of the rentention, otherwise Blais, Jones and the first for Toffoli is the deal.

I dont know much about Blais or Jones. Copied their names from a Rangers fans comments from another post. Do they bring any value?

Blais is a decent bottom 6 option. Jones should be on the Rangers now but management wants a veteran presence on the 3rd pairing. Jones will carve out a nice nhl career when he is promoted to the nhl full time whether that is with the Rangers or someone else is to be seen.

Montreal has no lack of depth players. Perhaps a pure Cap Dump and picks might be a better fit?

Maybe picks or another mid level prospect. I actually think the Rangers will resign Blais as long as he comes in under $2M.

Corey Pronman from the athletic had his "Ranking the best under-23 NHL players" article and had Zac Jones ranked as his #72 prospect (take it for what its worth).

Here is his writeup: Jones had a huge season, as a big part of UMass’ push for a national championship. He then scored a few points in the NHL and was one of USA’s best players at the world championships. His development has been rather promising the last few years as his skating became a clear strength at the NHL level. He’s a mobile defenseman who can skate pucks up ice and evade pressure well, but his biggest strength is his playmaking ability. Jones moves the puck very well, showing great poise and instincts from the blue line. He’s a 5-foot-10 defenseman who will be able to defend well enough because of his feet, but realistically he won’t line up against top players. Even with that in mind, I see a top-four defenseman who can make an impact offensively.

Sounds like a pretty decent prospect. Just wondering if Montreal can fit him in. We are pretty bare or young at the NHL level, but in the organization they have a lot of promise at LD. Romanov, Norlinder, Guhle, Harris, Struble. Niku?, Clague?

Perhaps a RD prospect? We have Logan Mailloux, and Josh Brook closing in on "Make or Break", but nothing else worth mentioning yet.

I would slot him above Norlinder, Harris, , Struble, Clague & Niku. On par with Romanov and behind Guhle. He is an offensive defenseman who is a great skater.

Our RD pool isn't as deep as LD so the guys there that we are willing to trade probably dont move the needle much.

The problem is not the value of the players, Gallagher and Price at 50% retained could net Habs a couple of first rounders. But Habs wouldn’t retain that much for so long, since it would be really bad asset management to have that much dead cap for 5-6 years. And Chiarot is not a lock to return a 1st rounder, he may, but it’s really optimistic at this point.

He sounds like Norlinder to be honest. I am not against that, just thinking about the RD depth on our team being thin.

IF Habs go full rebuild, they dont need cap space. Petry 3 more years, Price 4 more, Gallagher 5 more. Those amounts come off the Cap just as we need them to. We arent contending for a Cup in less than 5 years. I am not saying they will do it, but its very possible. Gallagher and Price will see a ton of interest, and not 1 single team will pay their full cap.

Chiarot's value has been locked in since the playoffs. No team is concerned with regular season play. They want his playoff game. They just need him to be healthy.

Yes very similar.