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Testing Water on Boeser Trade

Créé par: dtd_tank
Date de création initiale: 24 nov. 2021
Publié: 24 nov. 2021
Équipe: 2021-22 Red Wings de Detroit
Transactions
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DET
  1. Boeser, Brock
VAN
  1. Fabbri, Robby
  2. Tuomisto, Antti [Liste de réserve]
  3. Lindström, Gustav
  4. 2022 3e round pick (DET)
Rachats de contrats
  • Frans Nielsen: 4 250 000 $
  • Justin Abdelkader: 2 305 556 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Richard Pánik: 1 375 000 $ (50%)
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DET
WSH
DET
COL
VGK
DET
DET
2023
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
2024
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
DET
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $71 179 723 $0 $4 518 750 $10 320 277 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
DET
Bertuzzi, Tyler
4 750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
DET
Larkin, Dylan
6 100 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
DET
Raymond, Lucas
925 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 3
DET
Vrána, Jakub
5 250 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
DET
Suter, Pius
3 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
VAN
Boeser, Brock
5 875 000 $
AD
RFA - 1
DET
Rasmussen, Michael
1 460 000 $
AG, C, AD
RFA - 3
DET
Veleno, Joseph
894 167 $
C
RFA - 2
DET
Zadina, Filip
894 167 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
DET
Erne, Adam
2 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
DET
Stephens, Mitchell
737 500 $
C
RFA - 1
DET
Namestnikov, Vladislav
2 000 000 $
AD, AG, C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
DET
Hronek, Filip
4 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 3
DET
Seider, Moritz
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 3
DET
Nedeljkovic, Alex
3 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
DET
Leddy, Nick
5 500 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
DET
Stecher, Troy
1 700 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
DET
Greiss, Thomas
3 600 000 $
G
UFA - 1
DET
DeKeyser, Danny
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 1
DET
Staal, Marc
2 000 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1
DET
Oesterle, Jordan
1 350 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
DET
Gagner, Sam
850 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
DET
Smith, Givani
750 000 $
AG
RFA - 2

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24 nov. 2021 à 13 h 57
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Always in Pain
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No chance VAN takes that imo. There's just nothing interesting in that package, just a bunch of mid-level assets and a pending UFA.
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24 nov. 2021 à 13 h 59
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A bunch of garbage doesn't get you Boeser
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24 nov. 2021 à 14 h 1
#3
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Quoting: justaBoss
No chance VAN takes that imo. There's just nothing interesting in that package, just a bunch of mid-level assets and a pending UFA.


Fabbri is a decent middle 6 guy, better suited for 3rd line. Can be re-signed, but keep in mind that Boeser is coming without a contract for next year also.
Lindstrom is going to be a decent NHL dman, but of course not a star.
Tuo is a good prospect. Good potential to become middle pairing.

Sure, none of those guys are Boeser, but why would I send a Boeser equivalent plus more? smile The idea behind this is sending a two pieces that will provide solid depth and a couple futures for a guy that likely forces a trade or a big contract that VAN can't afford after EP & Hughes.
24 nov. 2021 à 14 h 8
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Quoting: dtd_tank
Fabbri is a decent middle 6 guy, better suited for 3rd line. Can be re-signed, but keep in mind that Boeser is coming without a contract for next year also.
Lindstrom is going to be a decent NHL dman, but of course not a star.
Tuo is a good prospect. Good potential to become middle pairing.

Sure, none of those guys are Boeser, but why would I send a Boeser equivalent plus more? smile The idea behind this is sending a two pieces that will provide solid depth and a couple futures for a guy that likely forces a trade or a big contract that VAN can't afford after EP & Hughes.


Here's the thing - no team is going to move their star players for "decent middle-6 guys" and what if -projects of lower potential. They want something far sweeter than that. You haven't sent anything even close to Boeser equivalent here. Just a bit earlier there was a NYI fan who suggested trading Dobson+1st+2nd for Boeser. That's a gross overpayment, but still lot closer than this.

Nucks might be forced to move the guy due to monetary reasons, but should Detroit be after the guy the bare minimum they should offer is Veleno+2022 1st, and then start the discussions from that.
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24 nov. 2021 à 14 h 11
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Quoting: justaBoss
Here's the thing - no team is going to move their star players for "decent middle-6 guys" and what if -projects of lower potential. They want something far sweeter than that. You haven't sent anything even close to Boeser equivalent here. Just a bit earlier there was a NYI fan who suggested trading Dobson+1st+2nd for Boeser. That's a gross overpayment, but still lot closer than this.

Nucks might be forced to move the guy due to monetary reasons, but should Detroit be after the guy the bare minimum they should offer is Veleno+2022 1st, and then start the discussions from that.


I wouldn't hate moving Veleno or Ras, but I didn't include them because VAN has plenty of C depth in EP, Horvat, and Miller.

Also, DET won't give up a likely top 10 pick for a winger when their biggest need is a C. Just thought I'd test the waters.
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24 nov. 2021 à 14 h 24
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Quoting: dtd_tank
I wouldn't hate moving Veleno or Ras, but I didn't include them because VAN has plenty of C depth in EP, Horvat, and Miller.

Also, DET won't give up a likely top 10 pick for a winger when their biggest need is a C. Just thought I'd test the waters.


Miller is also in trade rumors and Horvat has only two years left too. Their future centers are also bit lacking. I think they would benefit from acquiring a young one.
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24 nov. 2021 à 14 h 31
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I feel if you aren't offering Hronek then it needs to start at 2023 1st + Berggren and then more
24 nov. 2021 à 14 h 35
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Come onnnnnn
24 nov. 2021 à 14 h 41
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Quoting: justaBoss
Miller is also in trade rumors and Horvat has only two years left too. Their future centers are also bit lacking. I think they would benefit from acquiring a young one.


I wonder if something like 2023 1st + Rasmussen + Berggren would be something the Canucks would like? Considering they are not alot of teams with spare RD right now, which would be their biggest need I would assume.
24 nov. 2021 à 14 h 48
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Can we just go back in time and draft him instead of Svech?
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24 nov. 2021 à 14 h 58
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Quoting: TheAlien
A bunch of garbage doesn't get you Boeser

Come on now. I will whole heatedly agree this package isn't even close to enough to land Boeser, but these are FAR from garbage pieces. Fabbri is a very good middle 6 guy, Lindstrom is criminally underrated (he's not flashy, but he's a human eraser defensively and easily our best defensive-defenseman) and Tuomisto is still a plus prospect with a pretty decent ceiling.

Once again, not enough HIGH end pieces at all and quantity does not equal quality, but calling them garbage is just flat out wrong.
24 nov. 2021 à 15 h 35
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Quoting: Lancebmx
I wonder if something like 2023 1st + Rasmussen + Berggren would be something the Canucks would like? Considering they are not alot of teams with spare RD right now, which would be their biggest need I would assume.


That's decent, but it doesn't seem like Benning is one to commit to a rebuild, even if he definitely should, so that trade seems fairly unlikely.
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24 nov. 2021 à 15 h 53
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Quoting: justaBoss
That's decent, but it doesn't seem like Benning is one to commit to a rebuild, even if he definitely should, so that trade seems fairly unlikely.


Wouldn't mean a rebuild, Rasmussen is a NHL forward, needs some help with confidence I think though. Berggren is NHL ready, playing very well in the AHL right now.
Depending on how we draft, Hronek might be expendable if we draft Jiricek or Nemec as RHD instead of a centre.
Hronek and Berggren could be a decent return with some fine tuning. Add a pick or player here or there, maybe take a contract back like Hamonic since moving Myers might be difficult.
24 nov. 2021 à 15 h 55
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Quoting: Lancebmx
Wouldn't mean a rebuild, Rasmussen is a NHL forward, needs some help with confidence I think though. Berggren is NHL ready, playing very well in the AHL right now.
Depending on how we draft, Hronek might be expendable if we draft Jiricek or Nemec as RHD instead of a centre.
Hronek and Berggren could be a decent return with some fine tuning. Add a pick or player here or there, maybe take a contract back like Hamonic since moving Myers might be difficult.


Not a rebuild, per se, but that'd suggest at least a retool. Moving core players usually mean just that.

Also moving Boeser would suggest that they'd also likely deal the likes of Miller and Pearson as well.
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24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 3
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Quoting: justaBoss
Not a rebuild, per se, but that'd suggest at least a retool. Moving core players usually mean just that.

Also moving Boeser would suggest that they'd also likely deal the likes of Miller and Pearson as well.


I don't see Horvat not getting resigned so I don't think he will ever go anywhere. Pearson I don't think can be moved right now, Miller would be great too have but doesn't fit Detroit's timeline. Miller could also be resigned as well if they don't find an outstanding trade for him.
 
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