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Hughes offer-sheeted

Créé par: NHLfan10506
Date de création initiale: sep 25, 2021
Publié: 25 sep à 17 h 46
Équipe: 2022-23 Canucks de Vancouver
Explications
Haha
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Hughes, Jack78 600 086 $
Boeser, Brock46 000 000 $
Hughes, Quinn26 000 000 $
Pettersson, Elias18 500 000 $
Juolevi, Olli21 500 000 $
Rathbone, Jack2800 000 $
Gadjovich, Jonah2800 000 $
DiPietro, Michael2800 000 $
Brisebois, Guillaume2800 000 $
Lockwood, William2800 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Sutter, Brandon11 000 000 $
Halák, Jaroslav11 000 000 $
Offres hostiles
Le salaire annuel moyen (AAV) de l'offre hostile est calculé en divisant la valeur totale du contrat par: 1. La durée totale du contrat, ou 2. Cinq ans
JOUEURAAVCOMPENSATION
Hughes, Jack12 040 120 $
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024
Choix de 1e ronde en 2025
Transactions
VAN
    SJS
    1. Myers, Tyler
    2. 2023 2e round pick (VAN)
    Rachats de contrats
    • Braden Holtby: 1 900 000 $
    • Jake Virtanen: 500 000 $
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2022
    WPG
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    2023
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    2024
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    VAN
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $79 574 253 $0 $1 332 500 $1 925 747 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    VAN
    Miller, J.T.
    5 250 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 1
    Hughes, Jack
    8 600 086 $
    C
    RFA
    VAN
    Boeser, Brock
    6 000 000 $
    AD
    RFA
    VAN
    Garland, Conor
    4 950 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 4
    VAN
    Pettersson, Elias
    8 500 000 $
    C
    RFA - 2
    VAN
    Podkolzin, Vasily
    925 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 2
    VAN
    Höglander, Nils
    891 667 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    VAN
    Horvat, Bo
    5 500 000 $
    C
    UFA - 1
    VAN
    Klimovich, Danila
    886 667 $
    AD
    RFA - 2
    VAN
    Pearson, Tanner
    3 250 000 $
    AG
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    VAN
    Dickinson, Jason
    2 650 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 2
    VAN
    Sutter, Brandon
    1 000 000 $
    AD, C
    UFA
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    VAN
    Hughes, Quinn
    6 000 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 5
    VAN
    Hamonic, Travis
    3 000 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    VAN
    Demko, Thatcher
    5 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 4
    VAN
    Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
    7 260 000 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    VAN
    Poolman, Tucker
    2 500 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 3
    VAN
    Halák, Jaroslav
    1 000 000 $
    G
    UFA
    VAN
    Juolevi, Olli
    1 500 000 $
    DG
    RFA
    VAN
    Woo, Jett
    860 833 $
    DD
    RFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    VAN
    Gadjovich, Jonah
    800 000 $
    AG
    RFA
    VAN
    Ferland, Micheal
    3 500 000 $
    AG, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    VAN
    Schenn, Luke
    850 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1

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    25 sep à 17 h 47
    #1
    aeroastro.MN
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    More money on RD is definitely what SJS need
    25 sep à 17 h 48
    #2
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    Can't be offer sheeted my guy
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    25 sep à 17 h 49
    #3
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    Don't think the Canucks should be giving up that many 1st round picks. It could be Shane Wright.
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    25 sep à 17 h 54
    #4
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    Quoting: TheAlien
    Can't be offer sheeted my guy


    He is offer sheeting Jack Hughes lol
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    25 sep à 17 h 54
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    Quoting: TheAlien
    Can't be offer sheeted my guy


    Or am I missing something?
    25 sep à 17 h 57
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    Modifié 25 sep à 18 h 38
    Quoting: Gmonwy
    Or am I missing something?


    jesus i'm dumb wait no I'm not
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    25 sep à 18 h 01
    #7
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    Nice try dumping Myers on us for only a 2nd lol
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    25 sep à 18 h 48
    #8
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    I'm sure NJ would love to get 4 1sts from Vancouver for Hughes.
    25 sep à 19 h 40
    #9
    First NY Then LA
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    Quoting: TheAlien
    jesus i'm dumb wait no I'm not


    Quinn Hughes can't be offer-sheeted, but Jack Hughes can. It doesn't show up in QH's blue tab, but if you go to his Entry-Level Contract provisions, you'll see that it says "10.2(c)" under "Expiry."
    25 sep à 19 h 59
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    Quoting: OldNYIfan
    Quinn Hughes can't be offer-sheeted, but Jack Hughes can. It doesn't show up in QH's blue tab, but if you go to his Entry-Level Contract provisions, you'll see that it says "10.2(c)" under "Expiry."


    I know
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    25 sep à 20 h 16
    #11
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    Quoting: TheAlien
    Can't be offer sheeted my guy


    He cannot be offer-sheeted this year, but his contract is up next summer.
    He can be offersheeted then.
    25 sep à 20 h 21
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    Don't think the Canucks should be giving up that many 1st round picks. It could be Shane Wright.


    I don't think Wright makes it to pick #32...
    25 sep à 22 h 15
    #13
    BigTramFan
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    Myers is not getting traded, and we are certainly not trading a 2nd round pick to do so!
    25 sep à 22 h 20
    #14
    BigTramFan
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    Jack Hughes is also a total disappointment. Our rookie 2nd round pick Hoglander scored about the same number of points as Hughes last season and will likely surpass him this season. No way we would even want that snow flake on our team, and certainly not for $8.6m!!! Haha this is a joke thread right?
    26 sep à 9 h 06
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    Quoting: BigTramFan
    Jack Hughes is also a total disappointment. Our rookie 2nd round pick Hoglander scored about the same number of points as Hughes last season and will likely surpass him this season. No way we would even want that snow flake on our team, and certainly not for $8.6m!!! Haha this is a joke thread right?


    Jack Hughes had a fairly elite season.
    Was one of the best two-way centers in league as a 160 lb, 19-year old.
    No one here is disappointed.
    He is only getting better.
    26 sep à 14 h 49
    #16
    BigTramFan
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Jack Hughes had a fairly elite season.
    Was one of the best two-way centers in league as a 160 lb, 19-year old.
    No one here is disappointed.
    He is only getting better.


    Oh that's funny! "Fairly elite"? is that the same as "almost sterile" or "slightly pregnant"? His second full season, given 61% ozS and played against low quality opposition and he manages to put up 0.55 pt/g and you call that "fairly elite"? He will get better, but elite does not look likely. A soft but decent top 6 player is his likely ceiling. You don't offer sheet a guy like that and make him your highest paid player (when he has not earned it)!
    26 sep à 20 h 52
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    Quoting: BigTramFan
    Oh that's funny! "Fairly elite"? is that the same as "almost sterile" or "slightly pregnant"? His second full season, given 61% ozS and played against low quality opposition and he manages to put up 0.55 pt/g and you call that "fairly elite"? He will get better, but elite does not look likely. A soft but decent top 6 player is his likely ceiling. You don't offer sheet a guy like that and make him your highest paid player (when he has not earned it)!


    Since the end of 2019-20 season, Jack Hughes had 10 months off, had 2 GMs, 2 captains, and 3 coaches, got Covid and still put a fantastic season.
    All as a 19-year old.

    He was....
    #1 posts hit
    #2 in zone entries per 60
    #4 in takeaways
    #5 in CF relative % among centers
    (and on and on)






    Yes, elite.
    28 sep à 1 h 24
    #18
    BigTramFan
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Since the end of 2019-20 season, Jack Hughes had 10 months off, had 2 GMs, 2 captains, and 3 coaches, got Covid and still put a fantastic season.
    All as a 19-year old.

    He was....
    #1 posts hit
    #2 in zone entries per 60
    #4 in takeaways
    #5 in CF relative % among centers
    (and on and on)






    Yes, elite.


    Wow with all those Ozone entries you'd think an elite player would convert it into POINTS! That doesn't say "elite" to me. But anyway if you want to think he's elite, you go right ahead.

    My main point was that VAN is not going to offer sheet J Hughes and make him their highest paid player at $8.6m, especially when he wouldn't even rank in the top 5 players on the team (he would rank behind Pettersson, Horvat, Miller, Boeser, Q Hughes).

    So it comes down to potential. Does he have potential to be elite? To me elite means he would have to be in the top 5 of centers in the league, otherwise you are not elite in the NHL.

    Hughes compared to other recent centers that I would call elite, in their 2nd full NHL season:
    McDavid = 1.2 pts/g
    Matthews = 1.0 pts/g
    Pettersson = 0.97 pts/g
    Eichel = 0.93 pts/g
    Hughes = 0.55 pts/g

    He's not elite now and nor does he look like he is on track to be an elite player, no matter how many fancy stats you want to post. Again, you think whatever you want about him and his potential. But VAN ain't OS'ing J Hughes. Cheers.
    28 sep à 12 h 06
    #19
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    Quoting: BigTramFan
    Wow with all those Ozone entries you'd think an elite player would convert it into POINTS! That doesn't say "elite" to me. But anyway if you want to think he's elite, you go right ahead.

    My main point was that VAN is not going to offer sheet J Hughes and make him their highest paid player at $8.6m, especially when he wouldn't even rank in the top 5 players on the team (he would rank behind Pettersson, Horvat, Miller, Boeser, Q Hughes).

    So it comes down to potential. Does he have potential to be elite? To me elite means he would have to be in the top 5 of centers in the league, otherwise you are not elite in the NHL.

    Hughes compared to other recent centers that I would call elite, in their 2nd full NHL season:
    McDavid = 1.2 pts/g
    Matthews = 1.0 pts/g
    Pettersson = 0.97 pts/g
    Eichel = 0.93 pts/g
    Hughes = 0.55 pts/g

    He's not elite now and nor does he look like he is on track to be an elite player, no matter how many fancy stats you want to post. Again, you think whatever you want about him and his potential. But VAN ain't OS'ing J Hughes. Cheers.


    First, the points will come. Compare possession stats with other elite centers at similar age. Hughes is far ahead of most of them.

    Second, the points will come, better players will be arriving.

    Third, the points will come, but they aren't everything. How many of these guys were showing the defensive metrics he had as a teenager?

    Fouth, how many teenagers have been through what Hughes has in last year (awful team, 2 GMs, 3 coaches, 2 captains, most vets traded, 10-month layoff, long sickness, lost 15 lbs, etc). I think the resiliancy

    Fifth, people forget how young he is. He started in NHL at maybe 150 lbs. That is like an 8th grader. He is only getting bigger, stronger, faster.

    Lastly, Hughes played two seasons in NHL before Pettersson even arrived in Vancouver.

    Age-18 seasons:
    Pettersson was in Swedish junior league
    Hughes was in NHL

    Age-19 seasons:
    Pettersson was in SHL
    Hughes was in NHL

    Age-20 seasons:
    Pettersson was in NHL (Calder year)
    Hughes will be in NHL (this coming season)

    So lets wait and see what happens in 2021-22...and we can compare those numbers with Pettersson's rookie year, ok?
     
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