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Three NJ Trade proposals I wish would go away

Créé par: Opie
Équipe: 2021-22 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 16 sept. 2021
Publié: 19 sept. 2021
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QHughes: Doesn't make sense for either team. Vancouver has absolutely no reason to move him & therefore, NJ would need to overpay to such a degree that it would strip NJ of the very prospects they need to move forward.

Eichel: Why take a chance on his neck (& contract), when they have Hughes & Hischier? Is he a better player, sure ... but again, why take that risk at this point in NJs rebuild? Additionally, the asking price, similar to the case with QHughes, strips NJ of the prospects they need.

Subban (going anywhere): There is only $2 mil left on his contract. At that price, he's a tremendous value & a real asset with the match ups he will now receive on the third pair. There really is no reason for NJ to move him prior to trade deadline, save for an insane overpay. All proposals I see are for a middling return. Trading PK early in the season just doesn't make any sense for NJ.
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19 sept. 2021 à 22 h 52
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19 sept. 2021 à 23 h 14
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Can we at the VERY least agree to stop the Subban trades until SOMEWHAT closer to the deadline when the team knows they are in or out?
19 sept. 2021 à 23 h 15
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Meier to NJD for Holtz not even an honorable mention? 😉
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19 sept. 2021 à 23 h 18
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Even if Subban only makes 2 mil, you can’t just wish away a 9 mil cap hit. He’s got far less value than you think, otherwise he would already be in Arizona or Ottawa.
19 sept. 2021 à 23 h 32
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Even if Subban only makes 2 mil, you can’t just wish away a 9 mil cap hit. He’s got far less value than you think, otherwise he would already be in Arizona or Ottawa.


this. the teams buying at the deadline are often right up against the cap. even at 50% retained he’s still 4.5mil.
19 sept. 2021 à 23 h 34
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Meier to NJD for Holtz not even an honorable mention? 😉


Forgot about that Meier trade and his crap contract. That one needs to go on the list too.
19 sept. 2021 à 23 h 37
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this. the teams buying at the deadline are often right up against the cap. even at 50% retained he’s still 4.5mil.


The cap is irrelevant for NJ, they don't need or want to wish it away. The point is, at $2 mil & on the third pair, he's a fantastic value in NJ ... no reason to trade him (until the deadline & even then, only if they are out of the playoffs)
19 sept. 2021 à 23 h 40
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Even if Subban only makes 2 mil, you can’t just wish away a 9 mil cap hit. He’s got far less value than you think, otherwise he would already be in Arizona or Ottawa.


The point is that they would want to keep him. The cap is irrelevant to NJ.
19 sept. 2021 à 23 h 41
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The cap is irrelevant for NJ, they don't need or want to wish it away. The point is, at $2 mil & on the third pair, he's a fantastic value in NJ ... no reason to trade him (until the deadline & even then, only if they are out of the playoffs)


It’s one thing to say they shouldn’t trade him but it’s another to say that he’s valuable. He brings the value of a 2 mil defender at this point and it would take double retention to get him there.

They absolutely should just keep him.

PS, value comes from cap not in how much a billionaire has to pay him.
20 sept. 2021 à 0 h 20
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Quoting: jnowariak
It’s one thing to say they shouldn’t trade him but it’s another to say that he’s valuable. He brings the value of a 2 mil defender at this point and it would take double retention to get him there.

They absolutely should just keep him.

PS, value comes from cap not in how much a billionaire has to pay him.


Lol, not all NHL owners would agree with you.
20 sept. 2021 à 10 h 34
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subban is the opposite of tremendous value
20 sept. 2021 à 13 h 25
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subban is the opposite of tremendous value


There seems to be quite a bit of Subban hate out there ... makes me wonder if any of these people saw him play last year.
Its true that he is nowhere near the player he was, but once you accept him for the player he is today, you will see a highly competent, NHL level defenseman. That is far more than you can say for many other blueliners is this league.
On a third pair, he will be a tremendous asset.
20 sept. 2021 à 14 h 29
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There seems to be quite a bit of Subban hate out there ... makes me wonder if any of these people saw him play last year.
Its true that he is nowhere near the player he was, but once you accept him for the player he is today, you will see a highly competent, NHL level defenseman. That is far more than you can say for many other blueliners is this league.
On a third pair, he will be a tremendous asset.


a 9.5m 3rd pairing d is not an asset
20 sept. 2021 à 22 h 30
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a 9.5m 3rd pairing d is not an asset


He makes $2 mil this season.
21 sept. 2021 à 9 h 14
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He makes $2 mil this season.


who counts for 9.5 against the cap
21 sept. 2021 à 15 h 57
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who counts for 9.5 against the cap


Irrelevant for NJ. This is about winning games not trade value. Paying a third pair defenseman $2 mil for his level of play is highly valuable.
21 sept. 2021 à 16 h 48
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Irrelevant for NJ. This is about winning games not trade value. Paying a third pair defenseman $2 mil for his level of play is highly valuable.


irrelevant to nj but relevant to any team that would trade for him,

cap is more important than actual money for a team that would trade for him
21 sept. 2021 à 17 h 28
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irrelevant to nj but relevant to any team that would trade for him,

cap is more important than actual money for a team that would trade for him


True, but the post was about why they shouldn't trade him.
 
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