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If Tkachuk Gets Greedy

Créé par: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Date de création initiale: sep 17, 2021
Publié: 17 sep à 21 h 55
Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
UFAANSCAP HIT
Galchenyuk, Alex11 000 000 $
Transactions
OTT
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Tkachuk, Brady [Droits de RFA]
  2. Tierney, Chris
  3. Thomson, Lassi
OTT
  1. Engvall, Pierre
TOR
  1. 2022 6e round pick (OTT)
Rachats de contrats
  • Bobby Ryan: 3 583 333 $
  • Dion Phaneuf: 354 167 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
OTT
OTT
TBL
OTT
BOS
VAN
OTT
OTT
OTT
NYI
SJS
2023
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
NSH
2024
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $64 998 333 $0 $4 507 500 $16 501 667 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Galchenyuk, Alex
1 000 000 $
AG, C, AD
UFA - 1
BUF
Eichel, Jack
10 000 000 $
C
UFA - 5
OTT
Brown, Connor
3 600 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
OTT
Stützle, Tim
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
OTT
Norris, Joshua
925 000 $
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Batherson, Drake
4 975 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 6
OTT
Paul, Nicholas
1 350 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
OTT
Pinto, Shane
925 000 $
C
RFA - 2
OTT
White, Colin
4 750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 4
OTT
Formenton, Alex
747 500 $
AG
RFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
OTT
Watson, Austin
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
OTT
Chabot, Thomas
8 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 7
OTT
Zaitsev, Nikita
4 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
OTT
Murray, Matt
6 250 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 3
OTT
Holden, Nick
1 700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
OTT
Zub, Artem
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
OTT
Forsberg, Anton
900 000 $
G
UFA - 1
OTT
Mete, Victor
1 200 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
OTT
Brännström, Erik
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 1
OTT
Del Zotto, Michael
2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
OTT
Brown, Joshua
1 200 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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17 sep à 22 h 09
#1
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i like the idea of tkachuk for eichel a lot, tbh. buffalo gets a quality young forward w leadership ability and ottawa gets a 1C. don’t know if it ever actually gets to that point w him and ottawa but i feel like the sabres would be interested
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17 sep à 22 h 16
#2
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That's not nearly enough for eichel.
17 sep à 22 h 36
#3
Shibbal18
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That Eichel deal would need to look different but they would be interested in Tkachuk
17 sep à 22 h 40
#4
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You'd have to add a lot more on top of Tkachuk to get Eichel.
gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.
17 sep à 22 h 41
#5
Banni
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thats not even close to enough for eichel
gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.
17 sep à 22 h 41
#6
sensonfire
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I don't think Eichel is the answer to our problems with Tkachuk, TBH.
gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.
17 sep à 23 h 33
#7
LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Quoting: bagelbob
i like the idea of tkachuk for eichel a lot, tbh. buffalo gets a quality young forward w leadership ability and ottawa gets a 1C. don’t know if it ever actually gets to that point w him and ottawa but i feel like the sabres would be interested


The premise of the trade is "Tkachuk gets greedy". Hardly a young forward with leadership ability.
gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.
17 sep à 23 h 44
#8
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Quoting: palhal
The premise of the trade is "Tkachuk gets greedy". Hardly a young forward with leadership ability.


whether the sens want to pay the ridiculous amount of money he’s apparently asking for or give him the signing bonuses he wants doesn’t really affect his presence in the room or the way his teammates view him imo.
18 sep à 10 h 55
#9
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Quoting: BCAPP
That's not nearly enough for eichel.


Quoting: Byrr
You'd have to add a lot more on top of Tkachuk to get Eichel.


Quoting: MakeMarnerACentre
thats not even close to enough for eichel


I haven't heard of any offers where a team is willing to offer a player as good as Tkachuk for Eichel.

Eichel is injured and will probably be out for next season while he recovers from surgery.
18 sep à 14 h 18
#10
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
I haven't heard of any offers where a team is willing to offer a player as good as Tkachuk for Eichel.

Eichel is injured and will probably be out for next season while he recovers from surgery.


I should probably mention while I think B Tkachuk is a great player I also think many overrate him.

He's two years younger eichel. Not all that much. And they aren't in the same league of skill.

Brady is often a unique package of toughness and skill and can intimidate and bring a wanted package to a scoring line. But he's also a winger. Eichel on the flipside is a franchise centre which is also very hard to find.

And when you compare their production through the same age their incomparable.

Tkachuk had 60 g and 125 points in 198 GP.

Over 82 gp that 25 goals and 51 point pace

Eichel had 73 goals and 177 points in 209 games

Which is 29 goals and 69 points.

When you look at the 2 most recent years (is 20 and 21)


Eichel had 49 goals and 121 points in 128 games
Which is 31 g and 78 pts per 82

B Tkachuk had 38 g and 80 pts in 127 GP
Which is 25 g and 52 points.

Their incomparable offensively
18 sep à 14 h 57
#11
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Quoting: BCAPP
I should probably mention while I think B Tkachuk is a great player I also think many overrate him.

He's two years younger eichel. Not all that much. And they aren't in the same league of skill.

Brady is often a unique package of toughness and skill and can intimidate and bring a wanted package to a scoring line. But he's also a winger. Eichel on the flipside is a franchise centre which is also very hard to find.

And when you compare their production through the same age their incomparable.

Tkachuk had 60 g and 125 points in 198 GP.

Over 82 gp that 25 goals and 51 point pace

Eichel had 73 goals and 177 points in 209 games

Which is 29 goals and 69 points.

When you look at the 2 most recent years (is 20 and 21)


Eichel had 49 goals and 121 points in 128 games
Which is 31 g and 78 pts per 82

B Tkachuk had 38 g and 80 pts in 127 GP
Which is 25 g and 52 points.

Their incomparable offensively


What makes Tkachuk good isn't his production; it's his intangibles. There's also the fact that Eichel is injured and will probably need a season off to get surgery.

There's no doubt Eichel has the higher upside but he's injured and is wanting to be traded out of Buffalo.

What do you think Ottawa adds to make this a fair trade?
18 sep à 15 h 16
#12
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
What makes Tkachuk good isn't his production; it's his intangibles. There's also the fact that Eichel is injured and will probably need a season off to get surgery.

There's no doubt Eichel has the higher upside but he's injured and is wanting to be traded out of Buffalo.

What do you think Ottawa adds to make this a fair trade?


Oh I get his intangibles. I did try to address them.

What do they add? Most people would say he's equivalent to maybe 2.5 firsts in that "4 firsts" model understanding that it wouldnt 4 massive pieces.

So I dunno a good but not blue chip prospect and a good but not special young player?

For me personally? It would be an impossible deal to make. Look where Columbus is after they traded their 1c for a high end winger. Even if Laine continued his awesome production they'd be screwed. Look at the leafs led by Kessel.

You can't build a winning team without a high-end c and ideally a franchise c. The chances that Mittlestadt is a good c are solid, but I think the likelihood of him being a 1c are fairly low at this point, and Cozens also looks more likely to be a contenders 2c than franchise c.

With Mittlestadt and Cozens and some good forward prospects for the wings and Power and Dahlin and similar on d. The main piece coming back needs to be a prospect or young player with a good chance at 1c upside. If the main value of the trade is a great winger they can't get it.
18 sep à 22 h 41
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Quoting: BCAPP
Oh I get his intangibles. I did try to address them.

What do they add? Most people would say he's equivalent to maybe 2.5 firsts in that "4 firsts" model understanding that it wouldnt 4 massive pieces.

So I dunno a good but not blue chip prospect and a good but not special young player?

For me personally? It would be an impossible deal to make. Look where Columbus is after they traded their 1c for a high end winger. Even if Laine continued his awesome production they'd be screwed. Look at the leafs led by Kessel.

You can't build a winning team without a high-end c and ideally a franchise c. The chances that Mittlestadt is a good c are solid, but I think the likelihood of him being a 1c are fairly low at this point, and Cozens also looks more likely to be a contenders 2c than franchise c.

With Mittlestadt and Cozens and some good forward prospects for the wings and Power and Dahlin and similar on d. The main piece coming back needs to be a prospect or young player with a good chance at 1c upside. If the main value of the trade is a great winger they can't get it.


The CBJ were already at the bottom even before they did the Dubois for Laone trade. In fact Roslovic played better than Dubois last season.

Tell me which team is offering a prospect with a 1C upside for Eichel?

Habs aren't moving Suzuki
Anaheim isn't moving Zegras
Kings aren't moving Byfield

Thomson is worth a 1st and plays a position Buffalo needs help with. I feel like Tkachuk is worth 3 1sts.
 
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