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If Brady Tkachuk refuses to sign an extension before 19h30 ET on October 12th

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Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 14 sept. 2021
Publié: 14 sept. 2021
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This is what is said about the Cap Floor on Page 260 of the current CBA:

"No Club shall, after commencement of the regular season, be permitted to have an Averaged Club Salary that falls below the Lower Limit for that League Year."

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/en/v3/ext/CBA2012/NHL_NHLPA_2013_CBA.pdf



7:30 PM ET on October 12th is when the NHL Regular Season commences.

That's the start time of the 1st game of the NHL regular season, which is between Pittsburgh and Tampa.

We are still well short of the cap floor.

If Brady Tkachuk hasn't signed by October 10th or October 11th, we'll need to do something quick.



So, I would propose a 1-year offer-sheet for Kailer Yamamoto of the Edmonton Oilers at slightly over 4.1 million, the maximum where the draft pick compensation is a 2nd round pick.
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OTT
    If either of these two things happen:


    1. Brady Tkachuk is going to sign with us before October 12th ...

    OR


    2. We are able to make a trade where Ottawa has a net gain of at least 3.2 million to its cap hit before October 12th ...


    then forget this idea even happened.
    EDM
      If you have any better ideas than an offer-sheet for Yamamoto in case Brady refuses to sign an extension, please let me know in the comments.
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      14 sept. 2021 à 18 h 57
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      Quoting: mm1010
      1. Mikko was more of a joke

      2. at 10.2 its 2 1st a second and a 3rd


      If Vancouver is not getting 4 1st round picks on an offer-sheet for Pettersson, they'll match.

      Then the Canucks figure out what to do next before last day of training camp.
      14 sept. 2021 à 18 h 57
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      From a GMs point of view sure, it's an easy way to steal a kid. Until the cap takes a nice jump in 27, Zero owners will betray their own law by offer sheeting and spiking rfa salaries. Wasn't that quite obvious with the beautiful Cane owner shark attack...Dun don, Dun don, Dun don. Especially the 20$ signing bonus...Aho's # lol. I bet every owner personally thanked Dundon for that.
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      14 sept. 2021 à 19 h 0
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      Quoting: palhal
      I think there are teams who come October are no compliant and will be willing to "give" Ottawa some players.
      Thinking of the Leafs and Mikheyev...an NHL forward. Not saying the teams would want to give the Sens anything else, but it helps both team short term.


      1. We'll see if other teams come calling next month.

      2. We're 3.2 million short of the floor and Mikheyev's cap hit is only 1.65 million
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      14 sept. 2021 à 19 h 2
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      Quoting: sensonfire
      If Vancouver is not getting 4 1st round picks on an offer-sheet for Pettersson, they'll match.

      Then the Canucks figure out what to do next before last day of training camp.


      I would say offer it to him today... If they dont match you could have petters and brady well on your way out of a rebuild.
      If they do VAn is going to need to move 2-3 contracts and there are only a couple teams who could take on the contracts including OTT
      14 sept. 2021 à 19 h 4
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      Quoting: oilersfan150
      Also Kassian and turris are cap dumps.


      Turris doesn't want to come back to Ottawa ever again and his cap hit is not enough to get us to the floor.

      What would you pay to dump Kassian?
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      14 sept. 2021 à 19 h 7
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      I would say offer it to him today... If they dont match you could have petters and brady well on your way out of a rebuild.
      If they do VAn is going to need to move 2-3 contracts and there are only a couple teams who could take on the contracts including OTT


      There's way less draft pick compensation and less risk from offer-sheeting Yamamoto though.

      What if one of our 1st round picks wins the lottery?
      14 sept. 2021 à 19 h 7
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      Turris doesn't want to come back to Ottawa ever again and his cap hit is not enough to get us to the floor.

      What would you pay to dump Kassian?


      A second round pick.
      14 sept. 2021 à 19 h 14
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      A second round pick.


      Not enough.

      Dumping Kassian will cost more like two seconds.

      Either that or we might go ahead with the offer-sheet on Kailer.
      14 sept. 2021 à 19 h 15
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      1. The Oilers would be over the cap if they matched.



      2. This is at least 1.5 million more than what he's worth.

      Make it 2 years on the offer-sheet if he also refuses to sign.



      3. I also asked if there are better ideas than offer-sheeting Yamamoto in the event Brady refuses to sign by October 12th.

      You didn't suggest any frown


      Offer sheet thomas
      14 sept. 2021 à 19 h 16
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      Offer sheet thomas


      There's less risk in offer-sheeting Yamamoto.
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      14 sept. 2021 à 19 h 17
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      Not enough.

      Dumping Kassian will cost more like two seconds.

      Either that or we might go ahead with the offer-sheet on Kailer.


      Pretty sure that there already is a deal in place for kailer and the oilers so Iam sure he would reject an offer sheet unless he gets payed like the canes offer sheet.
      14 sept. 2021 à 19 h 21
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      Quoting: oilersfan150
      Pretty sure that there already is a deal in place for kailer and the oilers so Iam sure he would reject an offer sheet unless he gets payed like the canes offer sheet.


      Proof?
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      Quoting: sensonfire
      There's less risk in offer-sheeting Yamamoto.


      But thomas is better
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      Proof?


      I said pretty sure so it is my assumption but I could be wrong.
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      But thomas is better


      Their performances in the regular season last year suggest Yamamoto is better.

      Their performances in the playoffs last year suggest it's a bit of a wash.



      However, the entire point of this is to find a way to get over the floor before October 12th.

      Also, any offer-sheet on Thomas that doesn't involve a 1st round pick gets matched.

      Furthermore, St. Louis has more cap space to match an offer-sheet than Edmonton.
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      14 sept. 2021 à 19 h 37
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      I said pretty sure so it is my assumption but I could be wrong.


      We'll see what happens then.
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      14 sept. 2021 à 22 h 17
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      I know that when you're doing a challenge like a draft to glory or you sell everyone and have 10 firsts, the best way to reach the floor is to sign some scrub ( preferably a player with a really good name ) to a max deal


      Oh, I’d sign Chris Pronger too, and stick him on my AHL 3rd pair back when he was in LTIRetirement.
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      Quoting: sensonfire
      Turris doesn't want to come back to Ottawa ever again and his cap hit is not enough to get us to the floor.

      What would you pay to dump Kassian?


      Quoting: oilersfan150
      A second round pick.


      Quoting: sensonfire
      Not enough.

      Dumping Kassian will cost more like two seconds.

      This is ridiculous. Kassian is a big, fast, physical player (a la Tom Wilson) who has scored 14-20-34 in his past 82 games. He's not a cap dump and the Oilers are NOT paying a 2nd to move him.

      If you look a little closer, you'd see that Kassian rarely gets powerplay time. His 5v5 numbers in the past 82 games - 14 goals + 18 assists = 32 points puts him here on the Sens roster (each player's last 82 regular season games):

      Brown: 19-17-36
      Tkachuk: 17-15-32
      Kassian: 14-18-32
      Tierney: 6-19-25
      Paul: 10-13-23
      White: 8-15-23
      Batherson: 13-9-22
      Watson: 8-9-17

      players with less than 82 games:
      Norris: 59, 10-9-19 (pace: 14-13-26)
      Stuetzle: 53, 8-12-20 (pace: 12-19-31)
      Formenton: 20, 3-2-5 (pace: 12-8-20)

      Ottawa literally has 1 guy who has scored more than Kassian over his past 82 games. Edmonton is in Win Now mode, they aren't going to trade useful players at this point of the offseason, even if there are good picks coming back. There is absolutely no reason for them to send picks away with Kassian on the eve of training camp.
      15 sept. 2021 à 8 h 59
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      This is ridiculous. Kassian is a big, fast, physical player (a la Tom Wilson) who has scored 14-20-34 in his past 82 games. He's not a cap dump and the Oilers are NOT paying a 2nd to move him.

      If you look a little closer, you'd see that Kassian rarely gets powerplay time. His 5v5 numbers in the past 82 games - 14 goals + 18 assists = 32 points puts him here on the Sens roster (each player's last 82 regular season games):

      Brown: 19-17-36
      Tkachuk: 17-15-32
      Kassian: 14-18-32
      Tierney: 6-19-25
      Paul: 10-13-23
      White: 8-15-23
      Batherson: 13-9-22
      Watson: 8-9-17

      players with less than 82 games:
      Norris: 59, 10-9-19 (pace: 14-13-26)
      Stuetzle: 53, 8-12-20 (pace: 12-19-31)
      Formenton: 20, 3-2-5 (pace: 12-8-20)

      Ottawa literally has 1 guy who has scored more than Kassian over his past 82 games. Edmonton is in Win Now mode, they aren't going to trade useful players at this point of the offseason, even if there are good picks coming back. There is absolutely no reason for them to send picks away with Kassian on the eve of training camp.


      FYI Tom Wilson scored 9-27-36 in his past 82 games at 5v5.
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      15 sept. 2021 à 10 h 40
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      This is ridiculous. Kassian is a big, fast, physical player (a la Tom Wilson) who has scored 14-20-34 in his past 82 games. He's not a cap dump and the Oilers are NOT paying a 2nd to move him.

      If you look a little closer, you'd see that Kassian rarely gets powerplay time. His 5v5 numbers in the past 82 games - 14 goals + 18 assists = 32 points puts him here on the Sens roster (each player's last 82 regular season games):

      Brown: 19-17-36
      Tkachuk: 17-15-32
      Kassian: 14-18-32
      Tierney: 6-19-25
      Paul: 10-13-23
      White: 8-15-23
      Batherson: 13-9-22
      Watson: 8-9-17

      players with less than 82 games:
      Norris: 59, 10-9-19 (pace: 14-13-26)
      Stuetzle: 53, 8-12-20 (pace: 12-19-31)
      Formenton: 20, 3-2-5 (pace: 12-8-20)

      Ottawa literally has 1 guy who has scored more than Kassian over his past 82 games. Edmonton is in Win Now mode, they aren't going to trade useful players at this point of the offseason, even if there are good picks coming back. There is absolutely no reason for them to send picks away with Kassian on the eve of training camp.


      If we are somehow equating Kassian with Tkachuk, then I guess we should be equating Austin Watson with someone like Ryan Nugent Hopkins.


      I love how you spin numbers to fit your narrative.


      You're right.


      This is ridiculous smile
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      15 sept. 2021 à 10 h 51
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      If we are somehow equating Kassian with Tkachuk, then I guess we should be equating Austin Watson with someone like Ryan Nugent Hopkins.


      I love how you spin numbers to fit your narrative.


      You're right.


      This is ridiculous smile

      You can ignore the facts all you like. There's no "spin" here, I posted these players actual results over their past 82 games at 5v5. Pretty standard stuff.

      Edmonton isn't trading Kassian right now, and they certainly aren't giving up a pick to move him. That's ridiculous.
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      You can ignore the facts all you like. There's no "spin" here, I posted these players actual results over their past 82 games at 5v5. Pretty standard stuff.

      Edmonton isn't trading Kassian right now, and they certainly aren't giving up a pick to move him. That's ridiculous.


      I'm looking at the same "facts" you're looking at.

      That Kassian's numbers 5 on 5 are the same as Tkachuk's over the last 82 games.

      And that because the 2020-2021 season was only 56 games, you would probably be including some games from the 2019-2020 season as well.




      Pretty Standard stuff.

      No spin here.

      Sure :/




      Furthermore, my post here has absolutely nothing to do with trading for Kassian.

      I only mentioned him because someone brought him up.

      But, sure, let's keep comparing him with Tkachuk.



      You're right.

      This is ridiculous.
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      15 sept. 2021 à 11 h 9
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      I want Ottawa to stay as far as possible from offer sheets. It's not a playground they should play in. I think Melnyk and Dorion know it

      The solution is option #2 below. There's a lot of teams who would gladly trade you an expensive player for not much or even with an asset

      Quoting: sensonfire
      1. The UFAs out there have no upside whatsoever and are not wanted by any NHL club as of right now.


      2. Asking a team to dump someone on us would involve a cost for that other team, probably draft pick(s), to which they might refuse to pay.


      1. A few more guys will most likely be signed but more around 1 M$ for 1 year. Can't see the Sens overpaying one of those guys 4x

      2. Yeah but considering the situation, they'd take LESS than they normally would. Let's say for example an overpaid player would have required a 2nd to get moved, but the Sens would take a 4th in this situation, the other team would be more happy to create some cap space for a 4th

      If it comes to Brady holding out or asking a trade, #2 is very likely to happen last minute. At this very moment, a professional organization would have several back-up plans on the table
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      I want Ottawa to stay as far as possible from offer sheets. It's not a playground they should play in. I think Melnyk and Dorion know it

      The solution is option #2 below. There's a lot of teams who would gladly trade you an expensive player for not much or even with an asset



      1. A few more guys will most likely be signed but more around 1 M$ for 1 year. Can't see the Sens overpaying one of those guys 4x

      2. Yeah but considering the situation, they'd take LESS than they normally would. Let's say for example an overpaid player would have required a 2nd to get moved, but the Sens would take a 4th in this situation, the other team would be more happy to create some cap space for a 4th

      If it comes to Brady holding out or asking a trade, #2 is very likely to happen last minute. At this very moment, a professional organization would have several back-up plans on the table


      Do you feel comfortable with dorion though, honest question.
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      Do you feel comfortable with dorion though, honest question.


      Not really, but why do you ask in this thread?

      Dorion is a pretty BIG hit or miss GM so far.

      He worries me in general. Just last year, giving up a 2nd round pick for 6.5 AAV Stepan (even though he made less in salary), I was really not happy. Or when they waived Rudolfs Balcers to be sure to NOT waive Paquette, Galchenyuk, Anisimov or Stepan. It was pretty stupid at the moment it happened and it made me question hard about their pro scouting even more. You have to watch recent tapes, not from 2-3 years ago lol
       
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