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Potential STL Move

Créé par: villenash
Date de création initiale: sep 12, 2021
Publié: 13 sep à 13 h 05
Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Explications
Not sure if this is the right deal, but is there potential for a deal to be made between these clubs?
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Tkachuk, Brady77 500 000 $
Brown, Logan2900 000 $
Thomas, Robert34 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
OTT
  1. Thomas, Robert [Droits de RFA]
Détails additionnels:
If Thomas holds out, would STL consider trading him? This would give OTT a player that is friends with Tkachuk so that he will be more inclined to stay in OTT, as well as a player that can play 2C for them or somewhere else in the top 6.
STL
  1. Brown, Logan
  2. 2022 2e round pick (OTT)
  3. 2022 2e round pick (TBL)
Détails additionnels:
Getting Logan Brown could be a good acquisition for STL. He has had injury trouble, but still has great size and skill. He should also be significantly cheaper than Thomas and be easier to fit in cap wise. This also gives STL two 2nds in the 2022 draft (a draft in which they currently have zero 2nd round picks). He idea is that he should be able to fit in at 3C with a combination of Sanford/Tarasenko/Kyrou/Saad as his wingers.
Rachats de contrats
  • Bobby Ryan: 3 583 333 $
  • Dion Phaneuf: 354 167 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
OTT
OTT
BOS
VAN
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
NYI
SJS
2023
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
NSH
2024
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $68 498 333 $0 $4 507 500 $13 001 667 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
OTT
Tkachuk, Brady
7 500 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 7
OTT
Norris, Joshua
925 000 $
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Batherson, Drake
4 975 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 6
OTT
Stützle, Tim
925 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 2
Thomas, Robert
4 000 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
OTT
Brown, Connor
3 600 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
OTT
Formenton, Alex
747 500 $
AG
RFA - 1
OTT
Pinto, Shane
925 000 $
C
RFA - 2
OTT
White, Colin
4 750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 4
OTT
Paul, Nicholas
1 350 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
OTT
Tierney, Chris
3 500 000 $
C
UFA - 1
OTT
Watson, Austin
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
OTT
Chabot, Thomas
8 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 7
OTT
Zaitsev, Nikita
4 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
OTT
Murray, Matt
6 250 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 3
OTT
Brännström, Erik
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 1
OTT
Zub, Artem
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
OTT
Forsberg, Anton
900 000 $
G
UFA - 1
OTT
Del Zotto, Michael
2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
OTT
Holden, Nick
1 700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
OTT
Mete, Victor
1 200 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
OTT
Brown, Joshua
1 200 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
OTT
Sherwood, Kole
750 000 $
AD, C
RFA - 1

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13 sep à 13 h 08
#1
LetsGoBlues FLAv5
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This move would make me very upset, so given how the last 15 or so decisions from the GM have made me upset, I can't rule it out. They would be extremely unwise to move Thomas. He's coming off a rough season but still has so much runway. And this Blues team has like 2 under-25 contributors, can't afford to lose one for lotto tickets.
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13 sep à 13 h 09
#2
Chicago
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This is an interesting idea, that ultimately I like better than Hertl for OTT, it keeps their core in the same age group with room to improve. The only question is if that's enough to pry Thomas out of STL.
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13 sep à 13 h 11
#3
PLM
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I had Thomas involved in an Eichel deal and everyone said no so I doubt it.
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13 sep à 13 h 26
#4
Xercuses
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Quoting: Dnik10
I had Thomas involved in an Eichel deal and everyone said no so I doubt it.


Quoting: NickC1988
This is an interesting idea, that ultimately I like better than Hertl for OTT, it keeps their core in the same age group with room to improve. The only question is if that's enough to pry Thomas out of STL.


We just arent willing to give thomas or kyrou up while yes to get a player like eichel at least one of those two need to be there it just doesnt make sense for us atm
13 sep à 13 h 27
#5
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Conner Brown or you dont get him
13 sep à 13 h 29
#6
PLM
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Quoting: xercuses
We just arent willing to give thomas or kyrou up while yes to get a player like eichel at least one of those two need to be there it just doesnt make sense for us atm


I had a stroke trying too read what you said
13 sep à 13 h 30
#7
LetsGoBlues FLAv5
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Quoting: Dnik10
I had Thomas involved in an Eichel deal and everyone said no so I doubt it.


To be fair, no one on the Blues should be off the table for (healthy) Jack Eichel, but the amount of cap/positional maneuvering in order to bring a 10m center definitely makes it difficult. Usually the Eichel to STL fantasies leave the Blues at/over the cap ceiling without any internal replacements, and frankly most of their contracts aren't pretty enough to trade for good value to re-configure the roster. They're just not built for that type of center addition; need the young guys to fill the gaps for cheap.
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13 sep à 13 h 31
#8
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I don't think there is any interest to move him and him not signing yet is simply hard line negotiation consequences on both sides.

100% Thomas won't miss a single NHL game to start the year. it'll get done before that but there really is no reason to sign it just yet if both sides aren't where they'd like.
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13 sep à 13 h 44
#9
Xercuses
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Quoting: Dnik10
I had a stroke trying too read what you said


my bad. I was saying yes thomas or kyrou need to be part of an eichel deal. BUT we arent willing to give them up atm i just doesnt make sense
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13 sep à 13 h 56
#10
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Quoting: xercuses
Conner Brown or you dont get him


I’d do that. Mainly because Thomas is younger and under team control longer and can play centre. I’m really high on Thomas , I think he’s got 60pt / year top 6 centre potential
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13 sep à 16 h 07
#11
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Quoting: csick
I’d do that. Mainly because Thomas is younger and under team control longer and can play centre. I’m really high on Thomas , I think he’s got 60pt / year top 6 centre potential


well yea but i dnot think the blues would either player is a great asset tho
13 sep à 17 h 23
#12
mokumboi
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You cannot possibly be serious with this. Good heavens, man.
13 sep à 18 h 00
#13
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Quoting: mokumboi
You cannot possibly be serious with this. Good heavens, man.


It's meant to start a discussion.

If you don't want to trade him, fair enough. But he's not signed yet, so I decided to see what a possible trade might look like. Not claiming these are the pieces that get a deal done (see description) -- instead, whether or not Thomas could be available and what that might look like -- gotta start somewhere. Brown makes sense if they move Thomas since he can fill in at center and is clearly available, and then adding some picks. The picks could be adjusted- maybe a 1st is needed to get STL interested -- but then OTT may need to put some conditions on it, etc.

I wouldn't personally want to trade Thomas if he were on my team, likely your position based on your comment -- I think he'll be a great player. But the point remains -- he's not signed, STL has minimal cap space, the season starts soon, and this is all in good fun.
13 sep à 18 h 15
#14
mokumboi
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Quoting: villenash
It's meant to start a discussion.

If you don't want to trade him, fair enough. But he's not signed yet, so I decided to see what a possible trade might look like. Not claiming these are the pieces that get a deal done (see description) -- instead, whether or not Thomas could be available and what that might look like -- gotta start somewhere. Brown makes sense if they move Thomas since he can fill in at center and is clearly available, and then adding some picks. The picks could be adjusted- maybe a 1st is needed to get STL interested -- but then OTT may need to put some conditions on it, etc.

I wouldn't personally want to trade Thomas if he were on my team, likely your position based on your comment -- I think he'll be a great player. But the point remains -- he's not signed, STL has minimal cap space, the season starts soon, and this is all in good fun.



Brown makes no sense, he's slow as molasses and two years older than Thomas. I'd say this is the equivalent of me offering Sanford for Brady, except, unlike Brown, Sanford is actually useful at the NHL level. But yes, there's no discussion to be had here. Thomas is not available.
13 sep à 18 h 42
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Quoting: mokumboi
Brown makes no sense, he's slow as molasses and two years older than Thomas. I'd say this is the equivalent of me offering Sanford for Brady, except, unlike Brown, Sanford is actually useful at the NHL level. But yes, there's no discussion to be had here. Thomas is not available.


Brown is closer to only 1 year older.
13 sep à 18 h 58
#16
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Quoting: villenash
Brown is closer to only 1 year older.


I stand corrected. Doesn't change a thing. Brown is most likely a decent AHL player, Thomas is most likely the future Blues captain.
 
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