Just imagine a team with Seider, Miller, Edvinsson and Wallinder. How do u get through those big tall guys lol?

That's kind of my thought process, but with the newer generation of big guys they can still skate and move.

I think if Detroit got a top 3 pick the upcoming year , they’d have most of the pieces needed to compete, just need to develop them. Maybe somehow acquire Copp and another LHD in the draft

Miller is a top 4 already with 1 year under his belt. NYR moved up to select him and he had instance NCAA stats. His potential is top 2. Will he reach that maybe. But to try and acquire him you would be looking at larkin and that alone may not be enough for nyr to agree. NYR isn't strong on LD so their value on him will only increase.

Well if you ask for Larkin in any trade Yzerman will tell you to get lost, so I think both teams say no to that one.

Larkin+

I don’t see NYR trading Miller as he fills a need for them unless a young top 6 c on a ELC is going the other way.


I don’t know about adding another LHD that pipeline has a bunch of guys: McIsaac, Edvinsson, Johansson, Wallinder, Viro, and Buium. We need a blue chip center real bad.

I agree, I'm just high on Miller and gauging value.

2022 draft for top centre

Savoie could be a reasonable pick for where the wings might land. I don't see us getting lucky enough to draft Wright

C'mon, are you guys seriously saying Larkin + for Miller?

Fair would be more than Veleno, less than Larkin. Something like Rasmussen (or Veleno) + Johansson + 3rd would be pretty damn close, if not an overpay considering Johansson has #2-3 Dman ceiling, and Rasmussen showed promise that he could eventually become a 2C at the end of last year playing top 6 C in Larkin's absence.

Either way, Detroit doesn't need K'Andre with Johansson, Edvinsson, Wallinder in the mix.

Miller played well in his first year as two way defenceman. He outplayed werenski in the NCAA and a bunch of other notable names during his time there. His potential is top 2 and is already a top 4 at 21. Absolutely its larkin +. NYR need a 2nd centre and larkin fits that bill but that's not enough for a player in the middle of his career compared to a defenceman that's 4 years older comes with a cap hit. Look at older trades of value of forwards to defenceman as defense have way more value than forwards due to the amount they have to play. Hall and larson, Johansan and jones.

How did Miller outplay Werenski in college? How about Drouin for Sergachev? That Johanssen/Jones doesn’t really help your point either.

At the same time, Mantha was probably considered untouchable by fans at the deadline, so I’m not sure Larkin isn’t in the same boat

I don’t really believe in “untouchable” as anyone can be traded but I don’t think you’d find a fan saying Mo was untouchable at that TDL. He lacked effort completely (well not as bad as PLD). What you’d find from most posters is they’d prefer not to sell him low and just hold onto him but most were thrilled with the return.

I can agree with saying he's not needed, but it would be great to upgrade one of those guys.
Also think something like veleno, another LD prospect to replace him and a mud pick would be fair.

Being a VGK and Preds fan, I was going off what I had heard, so thank you for correcting me. I agree, the return was phenomenal for Mantha, especially seeing last season’s stats. Washington’s head work was at best questionable, at worst incredibly stupid.

Well I'm not sure how relevant ZW's performance from 6yrs ago is, but I will note he had literally twice the offensive output (36 in 36 vs 18 in 36) as K'Andre in their respective final NCAA seasons (both as sophomores & TWD). And let's not forget ZW put up 9 in 7 in his final WJC appearance while K'Andre did 2 in 5 at the same age. K'Andre is certainly not ZW, and is unlikely to be better than him.


Yes, K'Andre had a fine rookie season playing an impressive 21:07 ATOI. I won't refute that.


Yes, players that are 25yo and started playing at 19yo and have done well come with a cap hit because, well, they're good players lol. I'm not sure how his cap hit is a "negative" here.


Hall for Larsson has always been laughed at by anybody that's not Chiarelli. Johansen for Jones was very much a win-win for both organizations at the time and I don't think one heavily out-valued the other on trade day. Again, your argument is void.

Larkin is certainly worth more than K'Andre, as you are heavily overvaluing him based on the fantasies quoted above. Also, note that Detroit would't move Larkin for a Dman, and actually isn't in need of a Dman regardless given our prospect pool. Sending away our 1C for a top 2 *potential* Dman is both silly and a loss for Detroit.

Gotcha, makes sense. Are you from Vegas? Just moved from the Summerlin area a few months back. Mo can definitely turn it around though but he’s super streaky.

Both Jones and Larsson or RHD, which are a bit more rare and more likely to garner an overpay. If a team wanted Larkin they would have to pay 1C price as that's what he is to Detroit.

No, I’m from Nashville. I loved James Neal when he was with Pit and with the Preds and Fleury was my favorite goalie as a kid, so I began to follow Vegas. I’m upset with the way we dealt Fleury away, but like you said about Mantha, I saw it coming.

I agree, only chance we trade him is for an amount that DET won’t do..

i gave justification to why miller's value is so high currently and the only thing nyr would want would be larkin if anything but that's not enough for nyr to move an unmovable piece.