My thoughts on Dobson for Tarasenko

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Créé par: Hawkisles

Équipe: 2021-22 Islanders de New York

Date de création initiale: 12 juill. 2021

Publié: 12 juill. 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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I hate the idea of it.

BUT, here’s how I’d make it work if it HAS to happen.

To be clear: I’m making this post to show why it won’t happen. The Isles take on the following risks:

-Losing Dobson, an integral part of their future Top 4
-Tarasenko’s injury history keeping him from producing.
-Tarasenko’s contract giving the Isles yet another Ladd.

This trade is an attempt to solve all this, but I’d doubt all sides here agree to it.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Pelech, Adam	8	5 000 000 $
Sorokin, Ilya	1	2 000 000 $
Bellows, Kieffer	2	925 000 $
Golyshev, Anatoly	3	1 000 000 $
Beauvillier, Anthony	8	5 000 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Cizikas, Casey		6	2 250 000 $

Transactions

NYI

Tarasenko, Vladimir (3 000 000 $ retained)

Détails additionnels:

The 2nd rounder goes to a team willing to eat 1.5m of St. Louis’ cap retention for 2 seasons.

STL

Bolduc, Samuel
Dobson, Noah
Ladd, Andrew
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (COL)

NYI

SEA

Eberle, Jordan

Rachats de contrats

Rick DiPietro: 0 $

Enfoui

Thomas Hickey: 1 375 000 $ (2 500 000 $)
Leo Komarov: 1 875 000 $ (3 000 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2021
2022
2023

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	74 966 688 $	1 365 854 $	702 500 $	6 533 312 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Beauvillier, Anthony 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3	Barzal, Mathew 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2	Tarasenko, Vladimir 750 000 $750 000 $ AD NTC UFA - 2
Lee, Anders 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AG NTC UFA - 5	Nelson, Brock 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 4	Bailey, Josh 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, AG, C UFA - 3
Golyshev, Anatoly 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Pageau, Jean-Gabriel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ C NTC UFA - 5	Wahlstrom, Oliver 894 167 $894 167 $ (537 500 $$538K) AD RFA - 2
Martin, Matt 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3		Clutterbuck, Cal 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AD UFA - 1
	Cizikas, Casey 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ C UFA - 6

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Pelech, Adam 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG UFA - 8	Pulock, Ryan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Varlamov, Semyon 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Leddy, Nick 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Mayfield, Scott 1 450 000 $1 450 000 $ DD UFA - 2
Salo, Robin 842 500 $842 500 $ (32 500 $$32K) DG UFA - 1	Wilde, Bode 764 167 $764 167 $ (132 500 $$132K) DD UFA - 2	Sorokin, Ilya 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Bellows, Kieffer 925 000 $925 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1		Boychuk, Johnny 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1
Aho, Sebastian 725 000 $725 000 $ DG UFA - 1
Johnston, Ross 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG UFA - 1

12 juill. 2021 à 12 h 7

mokumboi

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Blues pass.

12 juill. 2021 à 12 h 9

Hawkisles

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Quoting: mokumboi

Blues pass.

Exactly.

12 juill. 2021 à 12 h 10

Trotz2020

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I hate this as an Isles fan. I wouldn’t trade Dobson for VT straight up with 50% retained. The only way I would consider it is if Dunn comes back too. No way Blue’s take on Ladd either.

Eberle and a 2nd make sense to me for VT. If the Isles want to make the salary work they will need to add picks/prospects to have retainage/bad contracts go the other way.

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12 juill. 2021 à 12 h 18

Isles777

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Trading a future #1 defenseman for damaged goods? This is just as bad as Milburys trades - Belmont will be empty within a few years if this trade went down.

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12 juill. 2021 à 12 h 25

Warrior24

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Quoting: Isles777

Trading a future #1 defenseman for damaged goods? This is just as bad as Milburys trades - Belmont will be empty within a few years if this trade went down.

Not to mention Bolduc who looks like he is going to be a top-4 D-Man who brings a physical presence. The D in 2 years could be:

Pelech-Pulock
Bolduc-Dobson
Salo-Mayfield

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12 juill. 2021 à 12 h 29

Hawkisles

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Quoting: Isles777

Trading a future #1 defenseman for damaged goods? This is just as bad as Milburys trades - Belmont will be empty within a few years if this trade went down.

Quoting: Warrior24

Not to mention Bolduc who looks like he is going to be a top-4 D-Man who brings a physical presence. The D in 2 years could be:

Pelech-Pulock
Bolduc-Dobson
Salo-Mayfield

Quoting: Trotz2020

I agree with literally all of this. This was the point of the post. It would be an awful idea even if St Louis accepted, and I doubt they would.

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12 juill. 2021 à 12 h 32

Isles777

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Quoting: Hawkisles

I agree with literally all of this. This was the point of the post. It would be an awful idea even if St Louis accepted, and I doubt they would.

The blues would probably be thrilled if Seattle took VT full cap hit for free, I think the blues would take this package and run.

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12 juill. 2021 à 12 h 40

OldNYIfan

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I couldn't agree with you more. My thoughts on Dobson for Tarasenko? "Risky" and "short-sighted."

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12 juill. 2021 à 12 h 52

Radu47

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Quoting: mokumboi

Blues pass.

Why would they pass 🤔

The $ clogs their cap for 2 years while they're not contending (the real $ issue is the schenn faulk deals) and they get two dynamic young assets back

If they did this ^ and kept dunn that'd be half their future D core alone and a damn good one at that

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12 juill. 2021 à 12 h 53

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Radu47

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Uh so very oddly under the radar here is Eberle going to Seattle 😳 what the heck is the deal with that 😐 kraken might even take pageau honestly

12 juill. 2021 à 18 h 13

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mokumboi

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Quoting: Radu47

They are not in a position to retain at least 3M AND take Ladd. And who says they can't contend? That's the stated intention.

12 juill. 2021 à 18 h 15

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Isles easily pass. We aren't trading their 2 top young defensemen....

12 juill. 2021 à 21 h 35

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Garth_Sashi_Brown_Snow

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Quoting: mokumboi

Blues pass.

Good bc so do the Isles 😂

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