If Makar and Landeskog get term and market rate

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Créé par: lrw2105

Équipe: 2021-22 Avalanche du Colorado

Date de création initiale: 12 juin 2021

Publié: 12 juin 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Contract values are rounded from Evolving-Hockey. Roster assumes that EJ has waived for expansion draft but is not on LTIR, and that Seattle takes Jacob McDonald (cheap, good numbers, defense).

Donskoi is traded over Compher under the assumption that JD may have more external value. The Hjalmarsson signing is based on hearing that COL was interested in him last season, but that he did not want to leave AZ. From COL's perspective he could be EJ injury insurance and/or a safety net for Byram or Timmins.

The purpose of this roster is to show that if SEA doesn't take a player with ~3mill cap, and CM and GL sign for significant $ + term, Grubauer and Saad are priced out, but COL can use Graves to procure a goalie (or assets for a goalie) and would need to clear only one ~3mill salary to stay under the cap.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Makar, Cale	8	10 000 000 $
Timmins, Conor	2	983 000 $
Jost, Tyson	2	2 000 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Landeskog, Gabriel	7	8 000 000 $
Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard	1	952 000 $
Hjalmarsson, Niklas	1	1 500 000 $

Transactions

COL

Expansion draft

SEA

MacDonald, Jacob

COL

Choix de 3e ronde en 2021 (NJD)

Détails additionnels:

Devils getting scoring and experience for a low price. Could be any team with cap space who wants those characteristics.

NJD

Donskoi, Joonas

COL

Merzlikins, Elvis

Détails additionnels:

Heard at the deadline Columbus' price for EM was Timmins. Taking into consideration inflated deadline prices, this trade uses that as a template.

CBJ

Graves, Ryan

COL

Nikkanen, Henri [Liste de réserve]

Détails additionnels:

Trading HM somewhere that seems to develop goalies decently, may have an opening in their system with 2 RFAs/UFAs up for 21-22.

WPG

Miska, Hunter

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	81 500 000 $	81 542 296 $	1 741 463 $	4 200 000 $	-42 296 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Landeskog, Gabriel 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ AG, C UFA - 8	MacKinnon, Nathan 6 300 000 $6 300 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 2	Rantanen, Mikko 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ AD, C UFA - 4
Burakovsky, André 4 900 000 $4 900 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Kadri, Nazem 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 1	Newhook, Alex 908 333 $908 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) C, AG RFA - 2
Nichushkin, Valeri 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Jost, Tyson 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C UFA - 2	Compher, J.T. 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2
O'Connor, Logan 725 000 $725 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Ranta, Sampo 925 000 $925 000 $ (425 000 $$425K) AG RFA - 2	Bellemare, Pierre-Édouard 952 000 $952 000 $ C, AG UFA - 2	Kaut, Martin 863 333 $863 333 $ (425 000 $$425K) AD RFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Toews, Devon 4 100 000 $4 100 000 $ DG UFA - 3	Makar, Cale 10 000 000 $10 000 000 $ DD UFA - 6	Merzlikins, Elvis 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
Girard, Samuel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 6		Francouz, Pavel 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
	Johnson, Erik 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2
Byram, Bowen 894 167 $894 167 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) DG/DD RFA - 2	Timmins, Conor 983 000 $983 000 $ DD RFA - 2
Hjalmarsson, Niklas 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ DG/DD UFA

12 juin 2021 à 16 h 28

Xqb15a

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I mean it is realistic. The Avs are going to have a number for Grubauer and it isn’t to hard to imagine a scenario where he ends up somewhere else imo. If this was what really happened I’d do everything in my power to trade Compher and bring back Saad.

12 juin 2021 à 16 h 35

Viqsi

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We're not trading Merzlikins unless we get something truly special back, so trying to discount requested prices isn't going to work.

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12 juin 2021 à 16 h 45

Bluejackets2000

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Jackets are definitely higher on Elvis than Korpi as far as talent. They will probably sell Korpi to the highest bidder and line up a servicable backup.

12 juin 2021 à 17 h 25

BCAPP

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Quoting: Bluejackets2000

Jackets are definitely higher on Elvis than Korpi as far as talent. They will probably sell Korpi to the highest bidder and line up a servicable backup.

Do people in Lumbus organization/fans actually think korpisalo is good?

Like I know he had one hot playoff run and a good rookie season. But otherwise he's been essentially garbage.

He has the second lowest save percentage since entering the league on 2015 (for a goalie with min 150 GP)

http://www.nhl.com/stats/goalies?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20152016&seasonTo=20202021&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,150&sort=savePct&page=0&pageSize=50

12 juin 2021 à 17 h 28

BCAPP

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That Landy deal will age sooooo badly. Like I think you have to sign it if he wants it. But I just think he's similar to like Ladd/okposo/Lucic/Ericsson. He's better defensively than all but maybe Ladd. But offensively his offensive game was similar to there's before MacKinnon went god mode. I suspect by himself he's a 20-25/50-55 guy. That's a 6 million ish player. AAND wingers like him age terribly.

But as I said he's your captain, playing great, and a key piece of the team. You kinda have to sign it

12 juin 2021 à 17 h 30

BCAPP

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Anyway don't sign Hjalmarsson.

You probably do lose graves to Seattle . I'd ditch comphers over doonskoi if you have to.

12 juin 2021 à 18 h 10

athrin

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rofl if makar asks for 10m, avs would be smart to trade him if they want a team to actually be able to compete

12 juin 2021 à 18 h 45

Mr_Canoehead

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If Brossoit is re-signed and Comrie isn't then Miska would be 4th on the depth chart (Hellebuyck-Brossoit-Berdin-Miska). 🤷🏻‍♂️

12 juin 2021 à 18 h 53

DirtyDangle

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how is 10m market rate?

12 juin 2021 à 20 h 25

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Bluejackets2000

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Quoting: BCAPP

Korpi is very solid goaltender. Most of his problems arose as the forward depth and especially center depth detiorated over the last couple years. Elvis probably has a bit more raw talent, but Elvis also has a bit of hot head streak, and he let’s his emotions take over a bit too much at times, which tends to hurt him a bit. Elvis Reminds me a lot of Ron Hextall. So take that for what it’s worth.

13 juin 2021 à 14 h 48

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Quoting: Xqb15a

Yes, the aim was to be realistic rather than ideal. Think COL's # for PG will be ~5, Binnington wining the cup and Markstrom having played behind VAN's defense may make them less comparable, and aftermath of PG's playoff performance may nix some of the Vezina nom bounce from COL's perspective. Agreed w/ the aspiration w/r/t Compher & Saad, but think that Saad's price will be 5x4 ... if Makar bridges (7x3?) and Landeskog takes a discount (7x7?) then that gives COL ~8mill to sign a goalie and Saad, if 2 of Graves, Donskoi, and Compher are traded/go to SEA ... think trading all three w/o taking back cap might be difficult to get value, and that Graves is probably the player that has significant market value ... Anyway, only half baked thoughts - many thanks for your .02USD.

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13 juin 2021 à 14 h 58

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Quoting: Bluejackets2000

Much appreciate your CLB goalie thoughts. IYO, what might be CLB's prices for Merzlikins & Korpisalo each? I sense that CLB wanted a 1st or a blue-chip prospect (like Timmins) for EM but had not been able to receive it either last year or at the deadline. Graves' market value is probably a 2nd & 3rd according to hearsay so that is certainly a gap.

13 juin 2021 à 15 h 2

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I dont think Makar is incentivized to sign long term in a flat cap scenario. A 3yr bridge makes more sense.

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13 juin 2021 à 15 h 51

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Quoting: avaholic21

I dont think Makar is incentivized to sign long term in a flat cap scenario. A 3yr bridge makes more sense.

I think that’s the case for all the young dmen up. What will be most interesting is who signs first and sets the market. But yeah they can all especially Makar make significantly more especially if the bridge spans the flat cap.

13 juin 2021 à 16 h 19

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OnlyBadDeals

Your deal is bad

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Market value is probably closer to 8 million. Karlsson signed a 6.5x7 contract after he won the Norris, even if Makar doesn't win the Norris, he has shown he is Norris caliber. That was a C.H.% of 10.11% at the time for the current salary cap that would be 8,239,650 AAV.

13 juin 2021 à 20 h 34

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Quoting: lrw2105

Unfortunately goalies do not return nearly what skaters do. Since the Jackets favor Elvis, and CBJ probably would not trade him unless they get an offer that blows them away. Probably a 1st and maybe even a prospect. I recon they would probably take a 2nd for Korpi.

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