Detroit won't accept that before the expansion draft. We'll give our 2nd before the expansion draft or Washington's 1st and a B- asset AFTER the expansion draft.

Like the Hall deal as a Blues fan. We get a shot at Shane Wright or Matthew Savoie then.

Dunn will basically be a bottom pairing guy in Detroit down the road, Not giving up an early 20th pick for him.

Who is better in their system on the left side? I feel like netting vrana and Dunn for Mantha would count as an absolute coup.

Johansson and eventually Wallinder will be both better then Dunn. Johansson is about a year out and Wallinder probably 2-3 years out.

Wings best offer for Dunn is a 2nd + 3rd

When people say who is better on your team than -----? Everything is much harder on a bad team. So how would Dunn do in Detroit? I guarantee his numbers would drop significantly. STL is a playoff team and they one a cup about 2yrs ago. So yeah Dunn had better numbers but he plays on a very good team.

When you say system does that mean everyone minors and reserve list or is it limited to players with NHL experience?

Agree with you on how hard it is to project guys onto different teams and into different roles. Another factor you didn't mention is the confidence in the player if they are getting a bigger role or even just a fresh start.

I was just curious who he thought (anyone in the pool) would push Dunn down the lineup in Detroit because the only LHD I could think of were McIsaac and Wallinder and I don't think they will pan out better than Dunn, but prospects aren't an exact science.

Albert Johansson is better than both McIsaac and Wallinder. In my opinion, the blues won't get more than NY got for Toews because Toews is better. So a 2nd and a 3rd seems fair.

Not getting a solid 2nd paid guy like Dunn whos only 24 because maybe 2 guys who haven't hit the ahl yet might be good in 3 years is just not an argument I can understand. If you said he isnt worth the pick or you don't like the player i get.

I mean this is a good hockey trade that helps Detroit immediately and going forward. Fills a long term hole on the left side which is a vacant nightmare. I'd try to dicker them down to a 2nd and a 3rd maybe but a deal can be made.

Toews also had like 3-4 extra years to figure out the D side of the puck but I know what you mean about that trade setting the price.

Johansson would've been 100% last year in Grand Rapids if not due for Covid. So Covid messed him up for a year and he still did far better in the SHL put up better numbers then Broberg. Dunn is fine for now i'm totally basing everything on a few years down the road. Right now i feel Dunn isn't worth a early 20th 1st round pick. Perhaps a mid 2nd and 3rd but that's about it.

I agree about the price, I'd try to weasle it down too

I've heard the Wings might move Hronek to the left to give him more opportunities to use his one timer. I think a 1st is fair for Dunn and I'd make the trade but I'm the only wings fan here who would. My theory If the Wings trade for Dunn then taking Wallstedt at #6 makes sense.

I have no idea about 6oa but I'm one of those anti goalie people. I guess best player available is fine no matter what position it turns out to be. I wouldn't mind eklund or guenther I guess.

I’d have little doubt that any team that acquires Dunn for a pick beyond like 15oa will win the deal. He has his flaws but has all of the tools to be a smooth skating, sharp passing, modern top4 guy not too far behind the Chabots and Theodores of the league. I wish the Blues would keep him but decision after decision have shown that the FO doesn’t have much faith in him.

I’d hate both of those moves. Paying a bit more for Dunn vs Toews (22 OVR vs 2 late second rounders) & drafting a goalie that high gives me nightmares.

No, you're not.

I also think a 1st is a fair price for Dunn.

He's a very good fit for Detroit and would immediately solidify the left side and do so for a long time. He's currently putting up better numbers than Hronek. Yes he's playing on a better team but he's also playing a lot less minutes.

With Dunn and one new veteran (either from FA or a cap dump trade for Ghost or Gardiner) Detroit would have a very respectable defense on both sides and also a timely path for Johansson and the rest of the kids to step up as DDK retires next year and the other veteran (whoever he is) the year after that.

With the Dunn trade and the prospect pipeline Detroit has there would be no need to touch the defense for the next decade, it would be good already next year and as Seider and Johansson and Viro and the others grow up we'd have one of the best defense in the league in 3-4 years time without having to do anything at all except trading away the prospects that are left out of a spot for even more assets.

Kyrou is laughing at that contract offer.

i'm sorry I didn't know you felt that way about Dunn. I don't mind trading for Ghost or Gardiner but I don't think either happen until after the expansion draft because why pay to move a player when you can move him for free. But I'm starting see why you'd pay to have Seattle take Namestnikov. But if we are paying to move a player would you rather lose Namestnikov or Pánik? I haven't heard any thing about Seattle's draft. With Vegas they let every team know they will take who ever for a 3rd round pick. Is Seattle going to say the same thing?

Seattle would want more to take Pánik, besides if Detroit signs a decent 2C in FA then Namestnikov becomes less worth to us. Pánik is a better grinder than Namestnikov is and would be better on the 4th line which would be the spot that would be open to them.

Pánik actually fills a role for Detroit (even if a limited one) so I don't mind keeping him at all.

I get taking best available but I'm not sure about Eklund or Guenther neither will be centers in the NHL and I doubt Guenther makes it to #6. With Detroit having big holes elsewhere if they don't take Wallstedt I'd rather Detroit take Johnson. But who knows this draft is going to be a complete s***show after Powers and Beniers NOBODY agrees on what is going to happen next. As I said yesterday its not so much a bad draft but it is going to be the worst scouted draft in a long time.


I'm also not big on drafting a goalie in the 1st round but coming out of the first round with a #1 LHD (Dunn) and a franchisee goalie. Makes more sense to me than reaching for a player that fill a need or taking best available even though he doesn't fill a need

Ok I wasn't sure and I really hadn't thought about it much until today.

I can understand. Guenther isn’t a center at the junior level, Eklund might be a center although he played vast majority as a left winger this year. To add onto Eklund, he does have some center tendencies which I’ve noticed in some Swedish international tourneys also. I wouldn’t bet on him being a center and I would definitely say the same about Johnson who played wing also this year. I’m fine with taking any of them before Wallstedt personally as we still don’t know what we’ve got with Zadina, Berggren, and Raymond to confidently say we don’t need wingers going forward. Another center option is McTavish if you want a gritty center. He’s been shooting up boards from WJC20.

Dunn isn’t a 1LD though he averaged the 5th most by a defensemen on the Blues. I’m not saying I would trade for him but if the price is the same or more than Toews then I’m a little confused. The situations are a little different in that NYI needed to shed cap and STL has expansion draft issues which means both don’t have a ton of leverage. If we’re talking NYR or EDM second rounder + VGK 3rd or something then okay but anything more is an overpayment in my eyes.