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Créé par: MGabes19

Équipe: 2021-22 Flyers de Philadelphie

Date de création initiale: 4 juin 2021

Publié: 4 juin 2021

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Not necessarily what I think will happen, but I do think Chuck will struggle to find a trade partner due to flat cap. He can't overpay since we don't have a ton of space, and no team will be willing to take big contracts.

If the above is truly the case, Flyers HAVE to go after Clarke. I still think Phil could recover and possibly fill that spot, but we still need depth at that position. He played with grown men (granted in a not-so-great league) so there is the possibility that he's NHL ready. If he slips to 5, Flyers need to trade up.

I feel that CBJ needs center depth, so let me know if this package would be enough to entice them:

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Hart, Carter	3	2 500 000 $
Patrick, Nolan	1	900 000 $
Sandström, Felix	1	800 000 $
Bunnaman, Connor	1	800 000 $
Kase, David	1	800 000 $
Sanheim, Travis	3	4 000 000 $

CRÉÉ		ANS	CAP HIT
Clarke, Brandt		3	925 000 $
Bumpkin, Some		1	1 500 000 $

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PHI

Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (CBJ)

CBJ

Frost, Morgan
Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (PHI)
Choix de 5e ronde en 2021 (VGK)

PHI

Seattle goes the cheap route. Hopefully they take JVR/Jake. Probably not though

SEA

Hägg, Robert

Rachats de contrats

Ilya Bryzgalov: 0 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2021
2022
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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	81 500 000 $	66 923 095 $	0 $	1 450 000 $	14 576 905 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Giroux, Claude 4 137 500 $4 137 500 $ AD, C NMC UFA - 1	Couturier, Sean 4 333 333 $4 333 333 $ C UFA - 1	Farabee, Joel 925 000 $925 000 $ (600 000 $$600K) AG, AD UFA - 1
van Riemsdyk, James 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Hayes, Kevin 3 571 429 $3 571 429 $ C NMC UFA - 5	Konecny, Travis 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 4
Laughton, Scott 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ C, AG UFA - 5	Patrick, Nolan 900 000 $900 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2	Voracek, Jakub 8 250 000 $8 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3
Lindblom, Oskar 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AG UFA - 2		Allison, Wade 925 000 $925 000 $ (425 000 $$425K) AD RFA - 1
	Laczynski, Tanner 925 000 $925 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Provorov, Ivan 4 725 000 $4 725 000 $ DG UFA - 4	Clarke, Brandt 925 000 $925 000 $
Sanheim, Travis 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Myers, Philippe 2 550 000 $2 550 000 $ DD UFA - 2
York, Cam 880 833 $880 833 $ (425 000 $$425K) DG/DD RFA - 2	Braun, Justin 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Hart, Carter 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ G RFA - 3
		Bumpkin, Some 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Gostisbehere, Shayne 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2
Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas 1 075 000 $1 075 000 $ AD UFA - 1

4 juin 2021 à 12 h 38

IconicHawk

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No chance Columbus gives up the 5th over pick for your 13th overall pick

4 juin 2021 à 12 h 38

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The 2nd Clarke......

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4 juin 2021 à 12 h 40

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Quoting: IconicHawk

No chance Columbus gives up the 5th over pick for your 13th overall pick

Like there's no possible way to entice them? Or my package wasn't enough to entice them?

4 juin 2021 à 12 h 41

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Quoting: nbw_r3ap3r

The 2nd Clarke......

This is the way.

4 juin 2021 à 12 h 41

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Quoting: MGabes19

Like there's no possible way to entice them? Or my package wasn't enough to entice them?

There is no possible way to entice them

4 juin 2021 à 12 h 42

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#14OA pick+Morgan Frost+Vegas's 2021 5th round pick, Comes nowhere near getting you the 5th overall pick. I wouldn't even give up the 6th pick for that.

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4 juin 2021 à 12 h 43

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Quoting: MGabes19

This is the way.

Flyers 3rd cup incoming? now all we need is a 2nd Schultz and a 2nd Hextall and flyers is Gucci

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Quoting: IconicHawk

There is no possible way to entice them

Is there anyone drafting in the top-6 that you think the Flyers could entice?

4 juin 2021 à 12 h 44

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Columbus needs that pick! If they can get their hands on one of Kent Johnson, or Matthew Beniers, they have to keep it. They don’t have a good prospect pool.

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4 juin 2021 à 12 h 45

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Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58

#14OA pick+Morgan Frost+Vegas's 2021 5th round pick, Comes nowhere near getting you the 5th overall pick. I wouldn't even give up the 6th pick for that.

13th overall pick, a top-9 center (Frost) is a steep price to pay to move up 8 spots. Maybe change the 5th to a third. But I still feel that's an overpayment

4 juin 2021 à 12 h 47

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Quoting: Nhl_oilers

Columbus needs that pick! If they can get their hands on one of Kent Johnson, or Matthew Beniers, they have to keep it. They don’t have a good prospect pool.

From what I've read, Beniers is going @ #2. So I don't think they have a shot at him.

You do make a good point, they don't have a great prospect pool, so maybe it'll cost Flyers another prospect.

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4 juin 2021 à 12 h 50

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Quoting: MGabes19

From what I've read, Beniers is going #2. So I don't think they have a shot at him.

You do make a good point, they don't have a great prospect pool, so maybe it'll cost Flyers another prospect.

I think it depends on who Seattle gets in the expansion draft, and who they want to start their team around. If they suck next year and get another top 5 pick, I see them picking a defence man this year then, because they are a few center man next year, but not the best defence men for top 5. With Matthew Savoie, Brad Lambert, and Shane Wright etc. People should let Savoie slip to the oilers though haha, because we have his brother.

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4 juin 2021 à 12 h 51

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Quoting: MGabes19

Is there anyone drafting in the top-6 that you think the Flyers could entice?

No, no there isn’t

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4 juin 2021 à 13 h 25

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Quoting: MGabes19

Is there anyone drafting in the top-6 that you think the Flyers could entice?

The highest you might be able to get is #7 from the Sharks if they make the wrong decision regarding their future and decide they’re still competitive. That would cost you a guy like Konecny though, maybe even more. Top 10 picks are weighted extremely heavily, once the pick is locked in at a certain spot it has more value than “a 1st.” Looking at #7 you can see guys like Clarke, Wallstedt, Johnson, Eklund maybe being available (top pair D, elite starter, first line forwards) and guys like that generally bust less often. A good prospect and a mid-1st isn’t gonna jump you close to the top 5.

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4 juin 2021 à 13 h 26

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I think that your premise is faulty. Columbus doesn't need center depth; they need a top- center.

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4 juin 2021 à 13 h 27

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The only way we trade that pick to CBJ is if it involves Jones. How would the 5th OA pick help us right now?

4 juin 2021 à 13 h 27

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After a little bit of quick research the only time in the salary cap era where the 5th OA pick was traded at the draft was in 2008. The Trade was 5th OA for 7th OA, 68th OA and a 2nd in 2009. That’s 2 spots for a 2nd and a 3rd. You’ll need to come to the table with more for Columbus to move back 8 spots.

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4 juin 2021 à 13 h 52

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Quoting: Ajp_18

Damn this is a good point. That much for two spots. So maybe Flyers need to trade two firsts and an A prospect to get anywhere close?

4 juin 2021 à 13 h 53

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The only way we trade that pick to CBJ is if it involves Jones. How would the 5th OA pick help us right now?

Like I said in description, this is only the scenario if Chuck can't find help on trade market. This would help if Clarke is NHL ready now. Which I doubt he is.

I def don't anticipate this happening, I was just curious what the fellow capfriendly'ers thought the price of moving up would be.

4 juin 2021 à 13 h 55

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

I think that your premise is faulty. Columbus doesn't need center depth; they need a top- center.

This is a good point. Sounds like they would hang up unless Coot's name was thrown out. Which would cause Philly fans to burn the city down

4 juin 2021 à 13 h 56

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If I remember correctly, there is a significant drop off after 7-8. So I see your point in that 13 is worth a lot less than 5-7.

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If I remember correctly, there is a significant drop off after 7-8. So I see your point in that 13 is worth a lot less than 5-7.

Yeah I personally think the first identifiable tier ends at pick 8 (in no particular order Power, Beniers, Hughes, Clarke, Eklund, Guenther, Johnson, Edvinsson would be my top 8), maybe 9 if you include Wallstedt. Then you get into the guys like McTavish/Lysell/Lucius who should all be gone by 12, and 13 is kinda the start of where it opens up more, you could go with guys like Raty, Sillinger, Lambos, Chibrikov, Cossa, there’s really no consensus and it wouldn’t be surprising to see any of those guys fall 5-10 picks further back either. That’ll hurt if you’re trying to trade up into the really good top 8 tier.

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