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Équipe: 2021-22 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 2 juin 2021
Publié: 2 juin 2021
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this is my thinking of the 2003 panthers trade but with a little more
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    2 juin 2021 à 13 h 55
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    Hughes>>>Kaako as a player

    Adding the positional value doesn't make it close

    1oa and 4oa doesn't matter much. The difference between Power and Hughes isn't much


    They're both like 20 years oldtears of joy Both teams are lucky to have their guy
    2 juin 2021 à 13 h 57
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    I do. Devoid of offense. He is solid defensively though. But you just compared him to the best defensive winger in the NHL who just happens to be near a point per game.


    I said he could turn into that kind of player. Kakko is 20 lol If you watched them all you'd see what he is capable of. Once he starts finishing the league is in trouble
    2 juin 2021 à 14 h 3
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    Quoting: Jambo
    I would but I am also a Rangers fan. But objectively, Underlying numbers, as well as watching the Rangers every game this year, show what he is capable of. So I think it is unfair to reasonably predict one of their careers will pan out any better than the other's will. So for that reason I'm gonna believe in our own guy


    Im pretty sure unbiased Ranger fans like @Kravtsov_Stan and @mhroblak would rather have Hughes over Kaako. Kaako is better defensively but not by much. Hughes is significantly better than Kaako offensively. I've watched Rangers games this year. Kaako was invisible. You can't possibly say you rather have Kaako than Hughes. Hughes has more potential, more positional value, and is more proven
    2 juin 2021 à 14 h 7
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    No
    2 juin 2021 à 14 h 12
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    Do people really think Kaako is better than Hughes???

    WTF


    Rangers fans have kinda shown that they’re getting into leafs territory of young player worship.
    Devil a aimé ceci.
    2 juin 2021 à 14 h 18
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    Quoting: Jambo
    I said he could turn into that kind of player. Kakko is 20 lol If you watched them all you'd see what he is capable of. Once he starts finishing the league is in trouble


    I have. But I’m not a rangers fan so i see him for what he’s looked like. A defensively solid third liner thats going to produce average at best third line offensively. Sorry dude, it’s just what he’s been.

    You can just blindly say anyone that’s young “could develop,” it doesn’t make it realistic enough to even bother discussing.
    2 juin 2021 à 14 h 25
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    Devils would never consider.
    Hughes has been fantastic on crappy offensive team. On both ends of ice really.
    He just needs to add some size and experience.

    Kakko's struggles are related to speed.
    Foot speed and processing speed.
    Harder to gain ground there (vs adding bulk).
    I'm sure he will adapt, but I think there is a massive gap between the two.
    2 juin 2021 à 16 h 12
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    Rangers fans have kinda shown that they’re getting into leafs territory of young player worship.


    That's what always happens when a big-market team owns a glut of young players, lol
    2 juin 2021 à 20 h 49
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    Quoting: mhroblak
    That's what always happens when a big-market team owns a glut of young players, lol


    Not to this level. I’ve seen multiple rangers fans compare kakko to mark stone just because he doesn’t crap his pants defensively. Kakko had 40 points through his first 114 NHL games. 19 goals. Through stones first 103 games he had 30 goals and like 72 points or something. It’s just kind of absurd.
    2 juin 2021 à 21 h 56
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    Not to this level. I’ve seen multiple rangers fans compare kakko to mark stone just because he doesn’t crap his pants defensively. Kakko had 40 points through his first 114 NHL games. 19 goals. Through stones first 103 games he had 30 goals and like 72 points or something. It’s just kind of absurd.


    Okay yeah those people are just ignorant of Mark Stone’s career. He’s just almost always the first Selke winger casuals think of, Rangers fans or not.
    3 juin 2021 à 12 h 48
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    Im pretty sure unbiased Ranger fans like @Kravtsov_Stan and @mhroblak would rather have Hughes over Kaako. Kaako is better defensively but not by much. Hughes is significantly better than Kaako offensively. I've watched Rangers games this year. Kaako was invisible. You can't possibly say you rather have Kaako than Hughes. Hughes has more potential, more positional value, and is more proven


    He's 20. Neither team has even made the playoffs yet. I ride with Kakko
    3 juin 2021 à 12 h 51
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    I have. But I’m not a rangers fan so i see him for what he’s looked like. A defensively solid third liner thats going to produce average at best third line offensively. Sorry dude, it’s just what he’s been.

    You can just blindly say anyone that’s young “could develop,” it doesn’t make it realistic enough to even bother discussing.


    He is 20. Thats like saying Hughes isn't good enough to will the Devils into the playoffs so he is a bust. Labeling Kakko a "3rd liner at best" when he is 20 is an awful take
    3 juin 2021 à 12 h 52
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    Quoting: Jambo
    He's 20. Neither team has even made the playoffs yet. I ride with Kakko


    You do realize that hockey is a team sport

    Hughes>Kaako

    You can ask any non biased hockey fan and they'll say Hughes
    3 juin 2021 à 12 h 58
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    Quoting: Jambo
    He is 20. Thats like saying Hughes isn't good enough to will the Devils into the playoffs so he is a bust. Labeling Kakko a "3rd liner at best" when he is 20 is an awful take


    When did i label him a third liner at best? I think you should re-read my post.
    3 juin 2021 à 13 h 9
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    You do realize that hockey is a team sport

    Hughes>Kaako

    You can ask any non biased hockey fan and they'll say Hughes


    I am not convinced Hughes will have a better career than Kakko. They're 20
    3 juin 2021 à 13 h 11
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    When did i label him a third liner at best? I think you should re-read my post.


    "A defensively solid third liner thats going to produce average at best third line offensively"

    We can argue about semantics or we can talk about how you said a dumb thing. He's 20. Not all NHL players hit their ceiling at 20, I know you know that
    3 juin 2021 à 13 h 25
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    Quoting: Jambo
    I am not convinced Hughes will have a better career than Kakko. They're 20


    Kaako was expected to be NHL ready. Hughes wasn't.

    Hughes is already better than Kaako

    What does that show about Kaako?
    3 juin 2021 à 13 h 27
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    Quoting: Jambo
    "A defensively solid third liner thats going to produce average at best third line offensively"

    We can argue about semantics or we can talk about how you said a dumb thing. He's 20. Not all NHL players hit their ceiling at 20, I know you know that


    Never made a comment on what he will be, just what he has been.
    3 juin 2021 à 13 h 33
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    Never made a comment on what he will be, just what he has been.


    "Going to produce average at best" is quite literally a comment on what he will be lol. And it is a freakishly bad take. Because he's 20
    3 juin 2021 à 13 h 36
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    Kaako was expected to be NHL ready. Hughes wasn't.

    Hughes is already better than Kaako

    What does that show about Kaako?



    Nothing they're both 20. Hughes had like 15 more points and Kakko is better defensively, like congrats lol. Yes he's had a better start. But they're young and their careers have just started. Both have not hit their ceilings and so its impossible to know for sure that Hughes will turn out to be the better player
    3 juin 2021 à 13 h 41
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    Quoting: Jambo
    "Going to produce average at best" is quite literally a comment on what he will be lol. And it is a freakishly bad take. Because he's 20


    At 20 he produces like an average at best third liner. That’s all I’m saying. If we want to get into how i think he projects I’d be happy to. Spoiler, it’s not good.
    3 juin 2021 à 13 h 45
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    Quoting: Jambo
    Nothing they're both 20. Hughes had like 15 more points and Kakko is better defensively, like congrats lol. Yes he's had a better start. But they're young and their careers have just started. Both have not hit their ceilings and so its impossible to know for sure that Hughes will turn out to be the better player


    Kaako is better than Hughes defensively but the difference isn't that much
    The gap between Hughes and Kaako offensively is not even close. Hughes is miles better than Kaako offensively
    Hughes also has more potential
    So saying that you rather have Kaako over Hughes right now or in the future is a dumb statement
    3 juin 2021 à 13 h 56
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    Kaako is better than Hughes defensively but the difference isn't that much
    The gap between Hughes and Kaako offensively is not even close. Hughes is miles better than Kaako offensively
    Hughes also has more potential
    So saying that you rather have Kaako over Hughes right now or in the future is a dumb statement


    He had like 12 more points than Kakko this year. Congrats. They're 20
    3 juin 2021 à 13 h 58
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    Quoting: CMcAvoy73
    At 20 he produces like an average at best third liner. That’s all I’m saying. If we want to get into how i think he projects I’d be happy to. Spoiler, it’s not good.


    Color me shocked that your own personal projections are flawed

    He's produced 3rd line numbers on the third line most of the year. You cracked the code Galaxy-Brain. He isn't a bust, he'll be a great 2 way player in a few years
    3 juin 2021 à 14 h 8
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    Quoting: Jambo
    He had like 12 more points than Kakko this year. Congrats. They're 20


    Difference is Hughes generates the Devils offense. Kaako gets carried by his linemates. Points isn't everything.
     
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