No reason for LA to do that. They have the cap space

You're most likely right, but Clague is an expansion risk and this would give them a lot of flexibility to start adding talent over the next two years.

The Eichel trade is fine. I don’t think Vegas does this though, Reinhart and Tuch are similar. Although Reinhart is the better player.

Clague is gone anyway. He can't pass through waivers next year so he either makes the team or gets picked up off of waivers

Idk, Reinhart's finishing talent is much better than Tuch's. They're knee deep in possession driving forwards, swapping Tuch for high end finishing talent could add a lot of value.

Eichel would start with Rossi or don't call back.

& LOL ... you're joking with Vegas right? you're massively overvaluing Reinhart if you think you get all that for him. Tuch and Reinhart would have similar value. It's definitely not the difference of a 1st and a top prospect 😂

I left Rossi out because of health concerns. Actually my concern is the Sabres doctors would make it worse but all the same.

Is it at all possible you are massively undervaluing Reinhart? I know your answer is no, there's no way you are wrong, but the question is worth asking.

Honestly, I'm not putting down Reinhart at all. I just think you're undervaluing Tuch. Tuch's been a 50 point guy with slightly above average defence on the third line of a highly competitive Vegas team that plays a physical style. Reinhart's best season was a 65 point season where he was in Buffalo's top 6 and getting the puck more. If Tuch was in that type of situation he'd be around the same point production with better defence. Add in the fact that Tuch is signed for 5 more years at a very good and affordable rate, where Reinhart is a current RFA at a higher rate and is 1 year away from UFA status, and the value is more in Tuch's side.

You said I was overvaluing Reinhart so thats why I asked.

If you care for the analytics at all, Reinhart has been a plus possession driver most of his career, so the gap between him and tuch there is negligible. The reason I think the gap is that big is because most people seriously underrate Reinharts shooting. It really is one of the best in the league.

So the same argument for why Tuch would put up more points with more minutes, would also work for why Reinhart would see a massive spike in goals if he was being fed by players who don't belong in the AHL.

Reinhart scored as many 5v5 goals as Draisaitl and Ehlers this year. There's no good reason to think he wouldn't build off that playing on a team that sees way more offensive zone time than the Sabres ever did on account of actually being good.

Again, what you're not taking into effect is that Reinhart gets more touches being on a poorer Buffalo team. Where Tuch doesn't get it because he plays lower in the lineup

I literally start the sentence with "So the same argument for why Tuch would put up more points with more minutes, "

Yes I know. But Reinhart wouldn't produce as much because he wouldn't be the top line option for Vegas. That's where the analytics are flawed quite a bit. They can't account for a change in the lineup and overall usage. Look at Sam Bennett. No one saw him going from a bottom 6 forward to a guy that put up 15 points in 10 games. But he got more touches so it improved his play and analytics. Whereas with Reinhart his production would likely decrease with less puck possession.

Idk where you are getting that from. Most of the analytics folks though Bennett was worth taking a chance on. And they absolutely can adjust for change in usage. Obviously in extreme cases, you have to look at different metrics.

I also dont know where you are getting this "reinhart wouldn't be a top line option" stuff from. Their C's are Stephenson, Karlsson and Nosek. You're telling me Reinhart couldn't beat that bunch? Reinhart showed hes more than capable handing the C position with sub par wingers. Are we suggesting that his numbers wouldn't hold up playing with Mark Stone?

I find that value for eichel pretty reasonable. You might be more interested in mennel than Addison because he’s a couple years older and more nhl ready. He was lighting it up in the khl as almost a ppg defender. The only other consideration I would have to throw into the ring is cap space. You’re taking greenway and rask, which makes total sense, but not sure the wild have the 4m extra cap space to make it happen after resigning kk, fiala and jee. Otherwise I’d be all for it

Reinhart is more of a winger. He only plays centre cause it's a terrible Buffalo team. Karlsson is the 1C and Stephenson has has done a great job as a 2C. Enough that it's not worth spending that much extra to get Reinhart.

"Im sure MIN fans will hate this b/c Greenway is the next Tkachuk or Addison is the next Fox."

Whoever is saying that is an idiot.

You could probably get more for Eichel. I think Dumba would have to be involved on our end to make the cap work, although I'm not sure the Sabres really need him.

Appreciate the feedback. I tried my best to ball park what their extensions might be, but I think you're right. There would probably have to be a seperate deal where the Wild move some $ off the books (Dumba?)

I went with Addison cause if the Sabres move Eichel this is by default a hard reset. Better off amassing ELC talent. than NHL ready Imo.

If Reinhart was signed for 5.2 mil thru 2026 I'd agree. He's not. Vegas already has Stone and Pac to lead the scoring. They need Tuch, at 4.75 mil thru 2026, prospects like Brisson and their 1st to add to the talent pool more than Reinhart at ~8 mil a year....

But he also played very well as a C on a terrible team? Also he was drafted as one?

Id be very surprised if his contact came in at close to 8, but I get that point. I just like his shooting talent for that team. I really believe its a good fit.

What's the justification for the LA trade? Why are they paying 3 assets to dump Quick when they have $20M in cap space? This trade might actually put them below the salary floor.

Im working under the assumption they would then use that space to sign other players. I get that they don't /need/ to though. Just a potential option for both teams given the state they are in (if the kings want to get aggressive starting this year i mean.)

Spending $25M in cap in one off-season is excessive and a recipe for disaster. LA doesn't have any other NHL ready backup goaltenders either, so they'd be opening a gap in the roster.

I'm not saying the Kings won't trade Quick if an offer comes along, but I don't think they'll pay to trade Quick. More likely LA will retain 50% on his salary and trade him to a contender looking to solidify their goaltending going into the playoffs in exchange for a mid-round pick. Most likely Quick finishes out his contract in LA and retires when it's over.

He played centre in a bad team because Buffalo has no good options at centre outside of Eichel. Who else do you want to play 2C? Mittelstadt? Girgensons? Eakins? A rookie Cozens? ... there are no good centres after Eichel. That's why Reinhart played centre.

& a lot of guys are drafted as a centre because in junior they tend to play centre seeing as the top players dominate junior and make their teammates better in junior. It means very little when it comes to the NHL. JVR was drafted as a centre, so was Marner. Doesn't mean that they transition to the NHL at centre.

Take out calen Addison, & put dumba.