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more realistic offseason than Eichel

Créé par: RClay321
Date de création initiale: mai 9, 2021
Publié: 9 mai à 23 h 17
Équipe: 2021-22 Rangers de New York
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Lindgren, Ryan11 750 000 $
Howden, Brett11 250 000 $
Hájek, Libor11 000 000 $
Buchnevich, Pavel66 500 000 $
Shesterkin, Igor44 250 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Getzlaf, Ryan11 500 000 $
Bozak, Tyler12 250 000 $
Transactions
NYR
    SEA
    1. Gauthier, Julien [Droits de RFA]
    NYR
    1. Hertl, Tomas
    SJS
    1. Chytil, Filip [Droits de RFA]
    2. 2021 1e round pick (NYR)
    NYR
    1. Bortuzzo, Robert
    STL
    1. 2021 5e round pick (NYR)
    Rachats de contrats
    • Henrik Lundqvist: 1 500 000 $
    • Kevin Shattenkirk: 1 433 333 $
    • Dan Girardi: 1 111 111 $
    • Brad Richards: 0 $
    • Anthony Deangelo: 383 334 $
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
    NYR
    BUF
    NYR
    LAK
    OTT
    NYR
    NYR
    2022
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    2023
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    NYR
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2381 500 000 $75 570 635 $0 $8 400 000 $5 929 365 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    NYR
    Panarin, Artemi
    11 642 857 $
    AG
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    SJS
    Hertl, Tomas
    5 625 000 $
    C, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    NYR
    Buchnevich, Pavel
    6 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    RFA
    NYR
    Lafrenière, Alexis
    925 000 $
    AG
    RFA - 2
    NYR
    Zibanejad, Mika
    5 350 000 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    NYR
    Kakko, Kaapo
    925 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Kreider, Chris
    6 500 000 $
    AG
    NMC
    UFA - 6
    Bozak, Tyler
    2 250 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA
    NYR
    Strome, Ryan
    4 500 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    Getzlaf, Ryan
    1 500 000 $
    C
    UFA
    NYR
    Howden, Brett
    1 250 000 $
    C
    RFA
    NYR
    Kravtsov, Vitali
    925 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    NYR
    Lindgren, Ryan
    1 750 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 3
    NYR
    Fox, Adam
    925 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Shesterkin, Igor
    4 250 000 $
    G
    RFA
    NYR
    Miller, K'Andre
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    NYR
    Trouba, Jacob
    8 000 000 $
    DD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    NYR
    Georgiev, Alexandar
    2 425 000 $
    G
    RFA - 1
    NYR
    Hájek, Libor
    1 000 000 $
    DG
    RFA
    STL
    Bortuzzo, Robert
    1 375 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    NYR
    Jones, Zachary
    925 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    NYR
    Rooney, Kevin
    750 000 $
    AD, C
    UFA - 1
    NYR
    Barron, Morgan
    925 000 $
    C
    RFA - 2

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    9 mai à 23 h 23
    #1
    Ragsandbluesfan
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    Im only doing that if hertls extended
    9 mai à 23 h 25
    #2
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    Hertl is a really good idea imo for the Rangers, but I think it will take more than the proposed offer or maybe different pieces.
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    9 mai à 23 h 31
    #3
    Malkinwants2beTheMan
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    IIRC Getzlaf has said it's Ducks or retirement.
    9 mai à 23 h 37
    #4
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    Quoting: Letter_Kenny
    IIRC Getzlaf has said it's Ducks or retirement.


    The only other team I could see him signing with is Pitt because of his connections with the new management
    9 mai à 23 h 51
    #5
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    Hertl is a really good idea imo for the Rangers, but I think it will take more than the proposed offer or maybe different pieces.


    not at all, that is a great return for SJ.
    OutCold13 a aimé ceci.
    9 mai à 23 h 52
    #6
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    The first NYR ACGM that comes close to Buchnevich contract.

    May be short on Shesterkin...
    9 mai à 23 h 57
    #7
    Hates Eichel Trades
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    Quoting: Klara
    not at all, that is a great return for SJ.


    Bruh what
    9 mai à 23 h 59
    #8
    Hates Eichel Trades
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    Hertl is a really good idea imo for the Rangers, but I think it will take more than the proposed offer or maybe different pieces.


    Chytil and the 1st would be the basis of the trade, then it probably takes someone like Brett Berard or Karl Henriksson. I had a conversation with a few Sharks fans the other day and that was our consensus after negotiating together
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    10 mai à 0 h 13
    #9
    Hockey Fan13
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    Hertl offer is close. Might be a bit light but given his current lack of term I'll agree it is fair
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    10 mai à 0 h 58
    #10
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    Hertl is a really good idea imo for the Rangers, but I think it will take more than the proposed offer or maybe different pieces.


    Chytil and 14ish pick is a pretty good starter for a rebuilding team but yeah likely needs a sweetener
    10 mai à 2 h 10
    #11
    mokumboi
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    Blues say no.
    10 mai à 9 h 23
    #12
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    Quoting: Klara
    not at all, that is a great return for SJ.


    Not really. I’m not even a Sharks fan, but a 1st in a weak draft and a 3C isn’t a great return for one of their two most valuable assets. Oh and now will come the hate about the massive upside of Chytil, but realistically in trade scenario the other team is going to counter he is a 30pt 3C. Everybody over values their own players I get it, but that package doesn’t get you Hertl in my opinion.
    10 mai à 15 h 16
    #13
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    Quoting: mhroblak
    Bruh what


    Quoting: Xqb15a
    Not really. I’m not even a Sharks fan, but a 1st in a weak draft and a 3C isn’t a great return for one of their two most valuable assets. Oh and now will come the hate about the massive upside of Chytil, but realistically in trade scenario the other team is going to counter he is a 30pt 3C. Everybody over values their own players I get it, but that package doesn’t get you Hertl in my opinion.


    I'm a Sharks fan...

    The 1st is 16th overall, and Chytil was on pace for 43p as 21 year old with good potential, if anyone counter argued that the 21 year old is only putting up .5p/gp, they would get laughed out of the room.

    The ask that was talked about the most around the TDL was Newhook + COL 1st, and that was before the deadline, when Hertl would have been worth more. Presumably the COL pick would be late 20s at least, so the difference between 16th + Chytil and ~30th + Newhook isn't dramatic, and considering the loss of value with the 2021 deadline passing, it makes sense.

    This is presuming that Hertl is not extended, of course there will be a clause in there for another pick, probably another 1st if he is extended.
    10 mai à 15 h 18
    #14
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    Quoting: mhroblak
    Chytil and the 1st would be the basis of the trade, then it probably takes someone like Brett Berard or Karl Henriksson. I had a conversation with a few Sharks fans the other day and that was our consensus after negotiating together


    can't see in any world Brett Berard or Karl Henriksson making any difference in a Hertl trade, very little value between either of them.
    10 mai à 15 h 20
    #15
    Hates Eichel Trades
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    Quoting: Klara
    I'm a Sharks fan...

    The 1st is 16th overall, and Chytil was on pace for 43p as 21 year old with good potential, if anyone counter argued that the 21 year old is only putting up .5p/gp, they would get laughed out of the room.

    The ask that was talked about the most around the TDL was Newhook + COL 1st, and that was before the deadline, when Hertl would have been worth more. Presumably the COL pick would be late 20s at least, so the difference between 16th + Chytil and ~30th + Newhook isn't dramatic, and considering the loss of value with the 2021 deadline passing, it makes sense.

    This is presuming that Hertl is not extended, of course there will be a clause in there for another pick, probably another 1st if he is extended.


    I don't think those types of conditional draft picks are legal under the new CBA anymore.
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    10 mai à 15 h 25
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    Quoting: mhroblak
    I don't think those types of conditional draft picks are legal under the new CBA anymore.


    *Furiously researches*

    "God damn it, how did I not notice this."

    well, in that case, it's a sign-and-trade or just make that other 1st into a 2nd.
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    10 mai à 16 h 11
    #17
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    Quoting: Klara
    I'm a Sharks fan...

    The 1st is 16th overall, and Chytil was on pace for 43p as 21 year old with good potential, if anyone counter argued that the 21 year old is only putting up .5p/gp, they would get laughed out of the room.

    The ask that was talked about the most around the TDL was Newhook + COL 1st, and that was before the deadline, when Hertl would have been worth more. Presumably the COL pick would be late 20s at least, so the difference between 16th + Chytil and ~30th + Newhook isn't dramatic, and considering the loss of value with the 2021 deadline passing, it makes sense.

    This is presuming that Hertl is not extended, of course there will be a clause in there for another pick, probably another 1st if he is extended.


    Now you’re just making stuff up. Never, ever was there ever talk of the Avs acquiring Hertl and under zero circumstances would they have included Newhook in any talks if they ever existed. Also Chytil is a career in 186 games ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SIX GAMES a .38ppg player or a 31pt per season for an 82 game season. And trying to equate Newhook’s value as the equivalent of moving up 14 spots you’re partaking in something illegal.
    10 mai à 16 h 17
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    Now you’re just making stuff up. Never, ever was there ever talk of the Avs acquiring Hertl and under zero circumstances would they have included Newhook in any talks if they ever existed. Also Chytil is a career in 186 games ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY SIX GAMES a .38ppg player or a 31pt per season for an 82 game season. And trying to equate Newhook’s value as the equivalent of moving up 14 spots you’re partaking in something illegal.


    I'm not talking about you or the Avs saying that, I'm saying the general consensus among Sharks fan's and media was that was the ideal goal. Read again...

    Also, that damn Chytil and his *squints* playing in the NHL since he was 18.
    10 mai à 17 h 02
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    Quoting: Klara
    I'm not talking about you or the Avs saying that, I'm saying the general consensus among Sharks fan's and media was that was the ideal goal. Read again...

    Also, that damn Chytil and his *squints* playing in the NHL since he was 18.


    Chytil is Tyson Jost minus the defense (oh and being fair 4 more pts per season).
    Chytil 2017 draft - Jost 2016
    Chytil .38 ppg - Jost 0.34 ppg careers
    Chtyl 47.2 CF% - Jost 50.3 careers
    Chytil 11.6 XGF - Jost 15.6
    Chytil 6.4 XGA - Jost 4.7
    Chytil 5.2 XGD - Jost 10.9

    So you’d be ok with a middle of the round 1st and Jost for Hertl?
    10 mai à 17 h 18
    #20
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    Quoting: Xqb15a
    Chytil is Tyson Jost minus the defense (oh and being fair 4 more pts per season).
    Chytil 2017 draft - Jost 2016
    Chytil .38 ppg - Jost 0.34 ppg careers
    Chtyl 47.2 CF% - Jost 50.3 careers
    Chytil 11.6 XGF - Jost 15.6
    Chytil 6.4 XGA - Jost 4.7
    Chytil 5.2 XGD - Jost 10.9

    So you’d be ok with a middle of the round 1st and Jost for Hertl?


    Thats one hell of a bias if you think Jost is worth as much as Chytil.
    Chytil.PNGJost.PNG

    Not to mention Chytil is 1 1/2 years younger than Jost.

    Also you should read the rest of the thread where I said that the assumption that he wasn't going to be extended, if he was going to be extended, then I would say it WOULD cost another 2nd or 1st.
    10 mai à 20 h 48
    #21
    Démarrer sujet
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    Quoting: Riley816
    The first NYR ACGM that comes close to Buchnevich contract.

    May be short on Shesterkin...


    Was basing it off of Binnington's after winning the cup.
     
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