idk how to say this nicely. Vrana is a good player... i would say hes Nylander level. Adding him to that roster makes them a lot better. "hurting for impact players" you have Marner Matthews and Nylander... Vrana isnt having an issue like torts and Laine its more of a petty pissingcontest Lav is having with him. His defensive numbers are solidbut hes not getting ice time... last year Kovi played more than him... not really his fault when you produce and still get little ice time. Roberson is good and they would still have him...? Vrana is a NHL ready top 6 forward that immediately makes an impact. Robertson has a chance to be better but if hes that good where is at?GALCHENYUK is your 2nd line LW lol just saying.... leafs can afford to overpay bc they are a win now team and alate 1st and a prospect dont benefit them now....

I'm talking about even strength because I don't really care about power play time. He plays less than 13 minutes a night at even strength, indicating 3rd line minutes not 2nd. Take out the PP time and he suddenly drops down to 2.82 points/60. Thats not 33rd in the league anymore.

3rd liner lol

Jakub Vrana often falls under the radar in Washington. Not only does he lead the team in 5v5 goals per hour (second in the NHL) but he also leads them in GAR. pic.twitter.com/dsjoTpz4MZ

— Evolving-Hockey (@EvolvingHockey) February 20, 2020

his pp points account for 13% of his total? look at the others? lol 23 points 3 are ppp? do you even look at stuff or do you just say stupid things?

Well without the PP he drops to 2.82 points/60. Lets look at the guys you are trying to compare him to. Aho without the PP only drops down to 3.24/60. One of those things isn't like the other.

The bottom line is Vrana isn't trusted defensively in Washington, as shown by his heavy offensive zone usage, and for good reason. Suggesting he'd be ok to move further up on the lineup comes with huge risk and will see he doesn't get anything close to this kind of value in return.

Well without the PP he drops to 2.82 points/60. Lets look at the guys you are trying to compare him to. Aho without the PP only drops down to 3.24/60. One of those things isn't like the other.

The bottom line is Vrana isn't trusted defensively in Washington, as shown by his heavy offensive zone usage, and for good reason. Suggesting he'd be ok to move further up on the lineup comes with huge risk and will see he doesn't get anything close to this kind of value in return.

For good reason?

Forward Player Card: Jakub VranaVrana might have broken out in terms of goals and production this year, but this is his second year as a really underrated offensive weapon. He scores at an elite rate, drives offence well, and isn't horrible in his own end. #ALLCAPS pic.twitter.com/FnsClnoLJS

— JFresh (@JFreshHockey) April 30, 2020

I don't doubt he's a good player, I just don't see why TO would be the team to overpay for him. Seems like there are many teams who would be more likely to overpay.

Aho has 33 points 10 on the pp... thats 30% of his points? seems like he relies on the pp for points? for example with playing more minutes he has vrana has 20 5v5 points Aho has 23? playing 2 more games also?

Did you even look at it? I mean you're a guy saying a player who sees close to 20% of his minutes on the PP doesn't get PP time. You should do the math.

The part Jfresh is missing is that he's used heavily offensively with a little over 60% of his shifts starting in the offensive zone. Its nice to just look at the numbers but advanced stats arn't very good when you are going to ignore the context.

YOU ARE THE GUY SAYING HE NEEDS THE PP TO PRODUCE lmfao

For good reason?

Forward Player Card: Jakub VranaVrana might have broken out in terms of goals and production this year, but this is his second year as a really underrated offensive weapon. He scores at an elite rate, drives offence well, and isn't horrible in his own end. #ALLCAPS pic.twitter.com/FnsClnoLJS

— JFresh (@JFreshHockey) April 30, 2020

The part Jfresh is missing is that he's used heavily offensively with a little over 60% of his shifts starting in the offensive zone at even strength. Its nice to just look at the numbers but advanced stats arn't very good when you are going to ignore the context.

Vrana sees 3rd line usage in Washington and fails on the defensive side of the game there. There's a huge risk there in moving him up the lineup and thats why he's not a comparable for the players this guy is using.

lol hes a 3rd liner though

Offensive zone starts mean sh*t. There are top 6 wingers that have a higher ozone start % than vrana and score at a below average rate.

Peep the 3 season goals per 60 rate. Vrana in the 99th percentile - are you telling me that players can score at the same rate as vrana if they’re given more ozone starts?

Fails at the defensive side of his game? Lmao prove it

Fails at the defensive side of his game? Lmao prove it

No, I'm telling you that it doesn't matter how often he scores when he's terrible defensively on a 3rd line. That's a problem that will only get bigger as he moves up the lineup against tougher competition.

One thing I’ve noticed on this site is that leads fans will use advanced stats to push their narrative and then ignore them when it doesn’t fit their narrative

Did you even look at Jfresh's chart? Its kind of like you are saying he's not a 3rd liner when the chart even says he sees 3rd line minutes.

3rd liners lol JFC what a hot take

That’s like saying Matthews was a 2nd liner when he played for babcock despite having a 1st line impact

he quite possibly be playing 3rd line on the leafs. Galchenyuk is playing well on the 2nd line. right now its his spot. hyman can play any line but even will still get 1st line minuites no matter what

he quite possibly be playing 3rd line on the leafs. Galchenyuk is playing well on the 2nd line. right now its his spot. hyman can play any line but even will still get 1st line minuites no matter what