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Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 14 déc. 2020
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14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 14
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too early to burn KK and say hes overrated, no even 21 yet. Drouin might be the guy who has proven to be the most overrated
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14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 17
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Let me explain
Gallagher : Gallagher is bringing so much, he is the heart and soul of this team, scoring machine at 5 on 5, but he doesn't have real talent. He just gave is 200% every game and shoots from everywhere
Armia : Good third liner, I think he's good on the PK but not great like Danault and Lehkonen. Is lack of speed and heart are stopping him to be a good middle six winger. He's a little bit overrated here
Kotkaniemi : Yes he as a lot of talent, but he needs a really strong season in 2021 or the 2021-2022 season. He has the talent, but he needs to show it before calling him he'll be Elite
Fleury : Ok Fleury will be a good 3rd pairing dman, but I CAN'T see him becoming a top4 RHD. He'll be a good physical bottom pairing dman.
14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 17
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Gally definitely isn’t overrated, Drouin is
14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 19
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Quoting: bunzy1034
Gally definitely isn’t overrated, Drouin is


No Drouin is not overrated, he is not Elite, but he is not bad like people are trying to say here. So I put him in the middle. He is a little bit overpaid for is production tho
14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 21
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Suzuki and Drouin are overrated. Gallagher isn't. Not really sure you're stance on the goalies but I'd say Price is overrated and Allen is underrated
14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 24
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Suzuki and Drouin are overrated. Gallagher isn't. Not really sure you're stance on the goalies but I'd say Price is overrated and Allen is underrated


How on earth is Suzuki overrated ? He is almost Eltie already
Price is underrated and Allen overrated IMO
14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 26
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How on earth is Suzuki overrated ? He is almost Eltie already
Price is underrated and Allen overrated IMO


exactly my point Suzuki isn't close to being elite he'll be slightly above average 2C and nothing more. Price is 100% overrated ask anyone who isn't a Habs fan and they'll tell you the same thing
14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 29
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exactly my point Suzuki isn't close to being elite he'll be slightly above average 2C and nothing more. Price is 100% overrated ask anyone who isn't a Habs fan and they'll tell you the same thing


Suzuki is ****ing good, watch some games holy **** I will block you after that. You guys are watching 1 Habs game a year, looking at stats and determining if he was good or not. Price is Elite, Suzuki is an absolute beast and yeah I will hear from guys not watching hockey what they think of Price when NHLers are saying Price is the best goalie in the league
14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 34
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Suzuki is ****ing good, watch some games holy **** I will block you after that. You guys are watching 1 Habs game a year, looking at stats and determining if he was good or not. Price is Elite, Suzuki is an absolute beast and yeah I will hear from guys not watching hockey what they think of Price when NHLers are saying Price is the best goalie in the league


lmaooo getting a little angry now? Price is an average goalie currently nothing more. Suzuki will be what Horvat is that's about it. Stop overvaluing your players smh
14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 35
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lmaooo getting a little angry now? Price is an average goalie currently nothing more. Suzuki will be what Horvat is that's about it. Stop overvaluing your players smh


Yeah I'm getting piss, people like you who doesn't watch hockey are commenting like if you know something. It's soooo annoying, it's like me coming in your team saying Boeser sucks, Horvat isn't that good a high end 3C. And trying to be serious about it
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14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 41
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Yeah I'm getting piss, people like you who doesn't watch hockey are commenting like if you know something. It's soooo annoying, it's like me coming in your team saying Boeser sucks, Horvat isn't that good a high end 3C. And trying to be serious about it


If you don't want criticism stop posting stuff lmaoo. I've watched lots of Habs games just cause you're upset with the reality doesn't mean you have to whine about it lol
14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 43
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If you don't want criticism stop posting stuff lmaoo. I've watched lots of Habs games just cause you're upset with the reality doesn't mean you have to whine about it lol


lol lol if you were watching Habs game, you wouldn't be saying Price is overrated
14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 45
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lol lol if you were watching Habs game, you wouldn't be saying Price is overrated


dude he's extremely overrated he was below average last season you're just blinded by what he's done in the past lol
14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 50
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dude he's extremely overrated he was below average last season you're just blinded by what he's done in the past lol


In the past people couldn't score in an open net so he was doing save he shouldn't be doing. Now people on a 2 on 1 cross-ice pass can lift the puck more than 2 feet so they score. Not is fault if they have 4 2 on 1 per game. No goalie in the league could do better if they were with the Habs
14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 53
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In the past people couldn't score in an open net so he was doing save he shouldn't be doing. Now people on a 2 on 1 cross-ice pass can lift the puck more than 2 feet so they score. Not is fault if they have 4 2 on 1 per game. No goalie in the league could do better if they were with the Habs


There are goalies that have done more with less. Have you seen what Markstrom and Hellebuyck were able to do playing behind those awful defenses. There's a reason Price didn't get a single vote for the Vezina. You're clearly blinded by the past just admit it
14 déc. 2020 à 21 h 54
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There are goalies that have done more with less. Have you seen what Markstrom and Hellebuyck were able to do playing behind those awful defenses. There's a reason Price didn't get a single vote for the Vezina. You're clearly blinded by the past just admit it


I'm watching the games, you can blame one goal per 15 games that was on Price
14 déc. 2020 à 22 h 21
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This is weird. If anything, Drouin, Mete, and Suzuki are overrated.

Tatar and Chiarot are underrated IMO.

Gallagher is the one expected to produce goals more than anyone and he's the only one who they pressure that for. I'd say he's in the middle. If not, underrated.
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14 déc. 2020 à 22 h 41
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No Drouin is not overrated, he is not Elite, but he is not bad like people are trying to say here. So I put him in the middle. He is a little bit overpaid for is production tho

Drouin $5.5M per year the last 3 years with 1 20 goal season. Drouin has skill but boy that’s more than overpaid.
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14 déc. 2020 à 22 h 44
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What's killing me on this website is that people will use analytics to tell you how guys like Marcus Foligno, Matt Roy or Greg Pateryn are, but won't use them to find out that Mete is one of the best transitional dman in the league who has no issue in his game aside from being small. They also won't use them to find out that Gallagher is a legit first line winger and is very good defensively and offensively. But they'll use those analytics at the first occasion they have to trash Carey Price or, as we've seen today, Nick Suzuki.
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14 déc. 2020 à 22 h 48
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Drouin $5.5M per year the last 3 years with 1 20 goal season. Drouin has skill but boy that’s more than overpaid.


I could accept that he's overrated or overpaid, but don't judge a playmaker by his ability to score goals
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14 déc. 2020 à 22 h 53
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What's killing me on this website is that people will use analytics to tell you how guys like Marcus Foligno, Matt Roy or Greg Pateryn are, but won't use them to find out that Mete is one of the best transitional dman in the league who has no issue in his game aside from being small. They also won't use them to find out that Gallagher is a legit first line winger and is very good defensively and offensively. But they'll use those analytics at the first occasion they have to trash Carey Price or, as we've seen today, Nick Suzuki.


Gallagher isn't good defensively tho. He's nowhere near bad like Domi Drouin defensively, but he's is not good. Same goes for Tatar. Anyway there line with Danault is really good. Yeah Mete is really good in transition, but just being small is the problem. He has a good stick, but have a hard time winning is one on one battle. Anyway no ones perfect
14 déc. 2020 à 22 h 56
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Gallagher isn't good defensively tho. He's nowhere near bad like Domi Drouin defensively, but he's is not good. Same goes for Tatar. Anyway there line with Danault is really good. Yeah Mete is really good in transition, but just being small is the problem. He has a good stick, but have a hard time winning is one on one battle. Anyway no ones perfect


I 100% get what you're saying. When watching live games, you see that Gallagher and Tatar have defensively flaws, but if you look at the "statistiques brutes" que les fans de stats avancées utilisent, bin Gallagher est élite défensivement lol. However they don't use it because its not at their advantage.
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14 déc. 2020 à 23 h 25
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I could accept that he's overrated or overpaid, but don't judge a playmaker by his ability to score goals

Maybe but he has never notched more than 35 assists in season or 53pts and to me that’s just a bit more than overpaid.
15 déc. 2020 à 0 h 15
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Maybe but he has never notched more than 35 assists in season or 53pts and to me that’s just a bit more than overpaid.


Quick question, what are Burakovski's stats and how much is he paid? Never scored more than 20 goals never scored more than 45 points has been in the league 6 years just like Drouin and was just resigned for 4.9 Mil. BTW Burakovski scores at a rate of just .49 ppg and Drouin puts up .6 ppg. Just cause Drouin has the talent to be elite and hasn't reached those heights doesn't make him overpaid or overrated. He is actually paid like a 50-55 point winger just look at may others around the league. You just expect more from Drouin and he frustrates fans so much with his lack of effort sometimes that it seems like he is overpaid.
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15 déc. 2020 à 0 h 44
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Quick question, what are Burakovski's stats and how much is he paid? Never scored more than 20 goals never scored more than 45 points has been in the league 6 years just like Drouin and was just resigned for 4.9 Mil. BTW Burakovski scores at a rate of just .49 ppg and Drouin puts up .6 ppg. Just cause Drouin has the talent to be elite and hasn't reached those heights doesn't make him overpaid or overrated. He is actually paid like a 50-55 point winger just look at may others around the league. You just expect more from Drouin and he frustrates fans so much with his lack of effort sometimes that it seems like he is overpaid.


I went through the first 6 teams in the list and compared their players who make 4.5-6 mil here are the results.

Anaheim Silfverberg 5.25 Mil never scored more than 24 goals or 49 points.

Arizona Dvorak never scored more than 18 goals or 38 points but earns 4.45 Mil (Keller could be here too never scored more than 24 goals and scored 65 points once but not more than 47 any other season. I leave him out though cause of his higher salary at 7.15 Mil)

Boston Coyle never scored more than 21 goals or 42 points but earns 5.25 Mil

Buffalo Reinhardt never scored more than 25 goals but has 3 seasons over 50 points at 5.2 Mil

Calgary Lindholm 2 seasons over 25 goals an 50 points and is paid 4.85 obviously this is great value

Carolina Teravainen 2 seasons over 60 points but not more than 75 and never scored more then 23 goals and earns 5.4 Mil (This is likely the closest player that Drouin tops out at)

Those first 6 are just a guideline for they type of production you pay 5.5 Mil for. Obviouslysome are better values than others but as a GM you expect 45-60 points per year from your wingers at 4.5-6 Mil. So exactly what Drouin produces.
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