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Marner Needs to go

Créé par: lilmike2905
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 4 déc. 2020
Publié: 4 déc. 2020
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I think this trade makes sense because The Leafs get Cap Relief and Nashville gets an amazing 90 point winger who can help Duchene get back to where they were before and the leafs get a good winger who is cheaper and the leafs get a STUD goalie prospect because their goalie pool isn't great imo
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  1. Askarov, Yaroslav [Liste de réserve]
  2. Forsberg, Filip
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (NSH)
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  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (TOR)
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4 déc. 2020 à 8 h 43
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Great, another player to sign in two years.
4 déc. 2020 à 8 h 45
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First: No he doesn't

Second: The deal isn't bad, Id be more interested if Askarov was ready to go when Freddy's out the door but obviously he's not either way Nashville still has to add imo
4 déc. 2020 à 8 h 48
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First: No he doesn't

Second: The deal isn't bad, Id be more interested if Askarov was ready to go when Freddy's out the door but obviously he's not either way Nashville still has to add imo


They have to add? Nashville is not doing that deal as is. Their future starter is not worth the upgrade from Forsberg to Marner
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4 déc. 2020 à 8 h 52
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
They have to add? Nashville is not doing that deal as is. Their future starter is not worth the upgrade from Forsberg to Marner


This is why every Marner trade posted on here is pointless, everyone wants the leafs to move their 90-100 point winger but doesn't want to give up anything in return based solely on the fact that he's overpaid, But hey if its Rantanen being traded well everyone will give up the moon and the stars for him because he makes 1 mill less
4 déc. 2020 à 9 h 12
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Quoting: yaronzo
This is why every Marner trade posted on here is pointless, everyone wants the leafs to move their 90-100 point winger but doesn't want to give up anything in return based solely on the fact that he's overpaid, But hey if its Rantanen being traded well everyone will give up the moon and the stars for him because he makes 1 mill less


Realistically when Dubas finally realizes paying 3 guys over 10M a year who can't get 100P in a season or 50G in a season is hindering his chances at the cup and he finally decides to trade Marner cuz he's stuck with Tavares and Matthews is amazing, He is going to be retaining salary so the team acquiring Marner is paying Marner what he is actually worth...
4 déc. 2020 à 9 h 20
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I disagree. I don't believe Marner needs to go at all. Dubas has put together a roster by keeping the big 4 there, addressed some toughness and upgraded the D with the Brodie signing. All of this under a flat cap which was not the assumption when he committed to those big contracts. Most teams are facing serious cash problems, the Leafs likely not immune from that either but they aren't even considering trading Marner or any of their top guys if the return doesn't significantly make them better.
4 déc. 2020 à 9 h 25
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
Realistically when Dubas finally realizes paying 3 guys over 10M a year who can't get 100P in a season or 50G in a season is hindering his chances at the cup and he finally decides to trade Marner cuz he's stuck with Tavares and Matthews is amazing, He is going to be retaining salary so the team acquiring Marner is paying Marner what he is actually worth...


Dude both Matthews and Marner are both in their early 20's give them a chance at least

Sorry that 47 goals and 80 points in 70 games for Matthews and Marners 94 point season arent good enough for you yet

Guess we just gotta be so bad that we luck into like 5 draft lottery wins and then luck into a generation talent smh
4 déc. 2020 à 9 h 34
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Dude both Matthews and Marner are both in their early 20's give them a chance at least

Sorry that 47 goals and 80 points in 70 games for Matthews and Marners 94 point season arent good enough for you yet

Guess we just gotta be so bad that we luck into like 5 draft lottery wins and then luck into a generation talent smh


Didn't you guys tank for Matthews? LOL let's call a spade a spade here. I didn't say they aren't good players. They're great. Marner should have signed for around 9.5 IMHO though as he pretty much skipped a bridge deal and went from entry level to making what he does now. Correct me if i'm wrong but he signed that after his 69 point season? 9.5 would have been a fair deal imo. Matthews is worth every penny. no doubt. Tavares hasn't done anything in his career and doesn't deserve over 8.5M...
4 déc. 2020 à 9 h 36
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
Didn't you guys tank for Matthews? LOL let's call a spade a spade here. I didn't say they aren't good players. They're great. Marner should have signed for around 9.5 IMHO though as he pretty much skipped a bridge deal and went from entry level to making what he does now. Correct me if i'm wrong but he signed that after his 69 point season? 9.5 would have been a fair deal imo. Matthews is worth every penny. no doubt. Tavares hasn't done anything in his career and doesn't deserve over 8.5M...


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4 déc. 2020 à 9 h 44
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
They have to add? Nashville is not doing that deal as is. Their future starter is not worth the upgrade from Forsberg to Marner


Have to agree here. Forsberg is underrated and younger than it seems he should be. I don't think Nashville would pull the trigger here. They are better off adding to their forward group via a different route (free agency or adding more complementary players via trade).
4 déc. 2020 à 9 h 55
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
Realistically when Dubas finally realizes paying 3 guys over 10M a year who can't get 100P in a season or 50G in a season is hindering his chances at the cup and he finally decides to trade Marner cuz he's stuck with Tavares and Matthews is amazing, He is going to be retaining salary so the team acquiring Marner is paying Marner what he is actually worth...


Yeah, literally none of this is going to happen.
4 déc. 2020 à 10 h 0
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Yeah, literally none of this is going to happen.


Meh not my team not my problem. I'm an Oilers fan I got my own things to worry about LOL except Toronto will be hindered by those contracts. At least ours is McDavid and Drai who keep winning the Hart, Art Ross, and Ted Lindsay. We just need to put the right players around them finally. We're not hindered by their contracts imho whereas you guys are...
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Meh not my team not my problem. I'm an Oilers fan I got my own things to worry about LOL except Toronto will be hindered by those contracts. At least ours is McDavid and Drai who keep winning the Hart, Art Ross, and Ted Lindsay. We just need to put the right players around them finally. We're not hindered by their contracts imho whereas you guys are...


Leafs have added two legit top 4 dmen since the contracts were signed (Leafs biggest weakness). I'm really not that concerned that Kappy had to go (got a great return) and Robertson was going to make Johnsson expendable if not this year then next. So I don't see any hinderance yet.
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4 déc. 2020 à 10 h 33
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This is a bad deal for Nashville.
THey grab a potential future #1 G in the draft and deal him, along with a really good winger for Marner who is good but makes way too much money
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4 déc. 2020 à 10 h 54
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If I'm predators, I'm not making this deal. I think Marner would look great as a predator, but I would rather keep Forsberg. Imo if Forsberg were traded for Marner it would be a 1 for 1, maybe Leafs add because of salary.
4 déc. 2020 à 11 h 10
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Quoting: yaronzo
First: No he doesn't

Second: The deal isn't bad, Id be more interested if Askarov was ready to go when Freddy's out the door but obviously he's not either way Nashville still has to add imo


Quoting: OutCold13
If I'm predators, I'm not making this deal. I think Marner would look great as a predator, but I would rather keep Forsberg. Imo if Forsberg were traded for Marner it would be a 1 for 1, maybe Leafs add because of salary.


r u an idiot if the leafs did forsberg and manner 1 for 1 dubas will get fired
4 déc. 2020 à 11 h 19
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r u an idiot if the leafs did forsberg and manner 1 for 1 dubas will get fired


R u an idiot? If Predators took your deal Poile would never work in hockey again.
1. Chill your harsh.
2. Come to the realization that the rest of the NHL isn't here to supplement the Leafs.
3. As most people have come to realize, Leafs players have pumped up offensive numbers, because of a talented roster and a aggressive offensive system. Forsberg in Toronto would be amazing. Marner with the Preds wouldn't be the same as Marner with the Leafs.
4 déc. 2020 à 11 h 57
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Realistically when Dubas finally realizes paying 3 guys over 10M a year who can't get 100P in a season or 50G in a season is hindering his chances at the cup and he finally decides to trade Marner cuz he's stuck with Tavares and Matthews is amazing, He is going to be retaining salary so the team acquiring Marner is paying Marner what he is actually worth...


Quoting: yaronzo
Dude both Matthews and Marner are both in their early 20's give them a chance at least

Sorry that 47 goals and 80 points in 70 games for Matthews and Marners 94 point season arent good enough for you yet

Guess we just gotta be so bad that we luck into like 5 draft lottery wins and then luck into a generation talent smh


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Yeah, literally none of this is going to happen.


Quoting: YEGBRAD
Meh not my team not my problem. I'm an Oilers fan I got my own things to worry about LOL except Toronto will be hindered by those contracts. At least ours is McDavid and Drai who keep winning the Hart, Art Ross, and Ted Lindsay. We just need to put the right players around them finally. We're not hindered by their contracts imho whereas you guys are...


silly dubas, paying good players to be good
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also, cap-management scolding is a bit rich coming from an oilers fan lol

let's play a game, which option do you want taking up 40% of your salary cap until AT LEAST 2023-24

A:
matthews 4 yrs (23) marner 5yrs (23) tavares 5 yrs (30)

B:
McDavid 6yrs (23) Draisaitl 5yrs (25) James Neal 3yrs (33) zach kassian 4yrs (29) + 2.5x1yr then 1.5x2yrs for sekera's buyout, the 1.3 from the pouliot buyout AND the $750Kx3yrs retained on lucic
4 déc. 2020 à 12 h 13
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
silly dubas, paying good players to be good
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also, cap-management scolding is a bit rich coming from an oilers fan lol

let's play a game, which option do you want taking up 40% of your salary cap until AT LEAST 2023-24

A:
matthews 4 yrs (23) marner 5yrs (23) tavares 5 yrs (30)

B:
McDavid 6yrs (23) Draisaitl 5yrs (25) James Neal 3yrs (33) zach kassian 4yrs (29) + 2.5x1yr then 1.5x2yrs for sekera's buyout, the 1.3 from the pouliot buyout AND the $750Kx3yrs retained on lucic


That's not even the same comparrison. Who is talking about Neal, Kassian, or the Oilers buyout history? LOL that came outta nowhere. Could have said Oilers 40% McD, Drai, Yamamoto, Puljujarvi, Bear, Jones, Broberg, Bouchard...LOL

Also how is it rich coming from an Oilers fan? I admitted we have our own issues but at least we've seen the 2nd round recently, oh and the cup finals more recently than you, oh and the Stanley Cup, oh and a 50 goal scorer, and a 100P scorer...Toronto has the least amount of crap to talk out of the entire NHL.

You guys get so salty and can't ever back anything up when other teams fans call you out. You can post your stats I never once said Marner and Matthews weren't good. In fact I said from the start Matthews is a beast. I also said IN MY OPINION Marner should be making 9.5ish as he pretty much skipped a bridge deal after a 69 point season and got a big payday with no resume. If you disagree that's fine you're allowed to.

Take a breather and calm down geez. nobody hates the Toronto Maple Leafs. We all just hate Toronto Maple Leaf fans...
4 déc. 2020 à 12 h 15
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
silly dubas, paying good players to be good
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also, cap-management scolding is a bit rich coming from an oilers fan lol

let's play a game, which option do you want taking up 40% of your salary cap until AT LEAST 2023-24

A:
matthews 4 yrs (23) marner 5yrs (23) tavares 5 yrs (30)

B:
McDavid 6yrs (23) Draisaitl 5yrs (25) James Neal 3yrs (33) zach kassian 4yrs (29) + 2.5x1yr then 1.5x2yrs for sekera's buyout, the 1.3 from the pouliot buyout AND the $750Kx3yrs retained on lucic


There's the charts I've been waiting for
4 déc. 2020 à 12 h 26
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
That's not even the same comparrison. Who is talking about Neal, Kassian, or the Oilers buyout history? LOL that came outta nowhere. Could have said Oilers 40% McD, Drai, Yamamoto, Puljujarvi, Bear, Jones, Broberg, Bouchard...LOL

Also how is it rich coming from an Oilers fan? I admitted we have our own issues but at least we've seen the 2nd round recently, oh and the cup finals more recently than you, oh and the Stanley Cup, oh and a 50 goal scorer, and a 100P scorer...Toronto has the least amount of crap to talk out of the entire NHL.

You guys get so salty and can't ever back anything up when other teams fans call you out. You can post your stats I never once said Marner and Matthews weren't good. In fact I said from the start Matthews is a beast. I also said IN MY OPINION Marner should be making 9.5ish as he pretty much skipped a bridge deal after a 69 point season and got a big payday with no resume. If you disagree that's fine you're allowed to.

Take a breather and calm down geez. nobody hates the Toronto Maple Leafs. We all just hate Toronto Maple Leaf fans...


my point being you have some seriously god awful contracts on your books. one's that are ACTUALLY unmoveable and you are 'stuck with'.

the leaf's worst contract is kerfoot who's a viable 3C/top 6 winger

you can count tavares I guess, but he's a top 15-20 goal scorer so idk lol

also marner had 94 points and finished 3rd in primary assists before he signed his contract

you say he should be getting 9.5 but the closest comparable is rantanen, who marner far outpaces in points and playmaking ability + defensive play

marner is slightly overpaid yes, but again, you guys gave a 51 then 77 point guy who was a heavy minus player 8.5 for 7 years (equivalent to like 9.1 in today's cap). That contracted was laughed at endlessly until draisaitl finally broke out.

also haha you guys made the second round yes, sick burn. It was your only playoff appearance since 2005 lol

also take a breather? I'm not mad lol. I'm just pointing out it's better to have 3 big contracts on excellent players than have 22% of the cap tied up in effectively dead weight, bottom end players
4 déc. 2020 à 14 h 14
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
Meh not my team not my problem. I'm an Oilers fan I got my own things to worry about LOL except Toronto will be hindered by those contracts. At least ours is McDavid and Drai who keep winning the Hart, Art Ross, and Ted Lindsay. We just need to put the right players around them finally. We're not hindered by their contracts imho whereas you guys are...


I forgot that when Oilers players win season awards they're instantly awarded the Stanley Cup as well.
 
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