leafs are still quite young. Teams undergo a lot of change. The current core might be completely different by the time they actually win a cup. All you gotta look at is tampa's 13 season journey to a cup from drafting stammer.

One of their top wingers (kucherov) didn't even suit up for an NHL game until like year 5-6, point was plucked out of the third round in 2014, their franchise netminder was picked up in between playoff appearances in 2012

I said why in the description. I see a pattern. And won betting it last year. Bet Colorado, Edmonton, and TB..and the Pens last year. Won 725 on TB. Well 325, minus the 400 I spent.

If you read the description and go back and see the pattern I saw last year. I bet TB, Colorado and Edmonton last year. And the Pens. This year, probably Colorado, Edmonton, Leafs and the Pens. And maybe the Isles. I don’t know if I want to bet 5 teams this year. It’s all in the description though. I want to see the conferences 1st too.

Even the 2 #1 overall picks, the Pens got Fluery and Sid. Won 2. Go back and look at the #1 overall picks and the Stanley cup winners recently. TB did it last year with Stammer. It’s all in the description

Having 4 D prospects who look like NHL D is a lot. Although I disagree - a legit playoff team has room for one small puck moving D. I doubt any of those 4 are ever legit top-4 Ds in the NHL.




I agree, but Kyle Dubas is the GM and he thinks that small wingers are the way to go.

What about BUF they have hall and dahlin.

Sandin and Liljegren and M.Kokkonen are the only 3 prospects Toronto has that look like NHL players right now. And Neimela(who they just drafted). And like I said, The offense doesn’t seem like it will be a problem in the next 6-8 years. The Defense, toughness, and goaltending will always be the weaker areas. So loading up on Defense and toughness in Guhle would have been a good idea IMO. Better than Amirov, that’s for sure!! Yes, Schneider or Guhle would have been a good pucks IMO.

The bottom 6 usually is the tough, checking lines, defensive lines. They usually pair up against the others teams top lines. And Hyman plays tough, fight for pucks in the corners. Thats always been a part of his game!! And I really like the Vesey signing. A ton of potential, and obviously not everyone can play in NY, especially being as highly touted as he was!! I can see him playing On the 2nd line (Hyman/Matthews/Nylander, Vesey/Tavares/Marner, Mikheyev/Kerfoot/Simmons, Engvall/Thornton/Spezza or Barabnov).[/quote][/quote]


3 NHL D-men prospects that look like NHL talent. Neimela was drafted this year in the 3rd round.


And I disagree with the small, puck-handling wings. Not in the NHL. Good in KHL and the bigger ice surface. Probably why I hate the Amirov pick!!

Hall was picked by Edmonton. The string of 1st rounders I’m talking about is Pittsburgh, Caps, Pgh again, St.Louis, Chicago, And then TB last year.

The next up are the Isles, Edmonton, Colorado.

You know we only have 1 forward under 6ft, and he's a center? Not sure where you get the small winger thing from... Troll.

you're right, we should do what mark hunter did and draft some big defencemen, some power forwards too.

oh wait, only timashov (a small forward) actually got extended NHL time. Hunter had no hits outside of the first round

on the other hand, dubas has picked up robertson, sandin, abruzzese, abramov, kokkonen, SDA, hollowell and even ovchinnikov, all who look to be promising NHL players atm. Already Amirov, and Ovchinnikov are playing some excellent hockey, while SDA is playing 2C minutes in the KHL at 19. two of the leaf's best prospects are small players selected by dubas in the late first round/early second round lol

if you find yourself picking big players in the later rounds, it's probably because they suck. If they were big AND good, they'd be gone in the first round

you can have many critiques of dubas, but he's a great drafter, plucking some solid players out of the later rounds

You know we only have 1 forward under 6ft, and he's a center? Not sure where you get the small winger thing from... Troll.[/quote]

Ya, I love that 5’10, 5’11 is small but 6’0 is good size..lol.

you're right, we should do what mark hunter did and draft some big defencemen, some power forwards too.

oh wait, only timashov (a small forward) actually got extended NHL time. Hunter had no hits outside of the first round

on the other hand, dubas has picked up robertson, sandin, abruzzese, abramov, kokkonen, SDA, hollowell and even ovchinnikov, all who look to be promising NHL players atm. Already Amirov, and Ovchinnikov are playing some excellent hockey, while SDA is playing 2C minutes in the KHL at 19. two of the leaf's best prospects are small players selected by dubas in the late first round/early second round lol

if you find yourself picking big players in the later rounds, it's probably because they suck. If they were big AND good, they'd be gone in the first round

you can have many critiques of dubas, but he's a great drafter, plucking some solid players out of the later rounds[/quote]

Good luck man, I hope Amirov works out. I tried liking the pick too. I watched his highlights and games on YouTube. Didn’t stand out to me. Granted he was playing against tougher competition than Zary and Lappierre were.

And none of those players have proven anything In the NHL yet.

And I already said earlier too, I think Dubas is a good judge of talent!! I’m just not a fan of the Amirov pick!! And it’s not bias either. I’m a leafs fan too!! I tried liking it. If the Pens had kept the pick and picked him, I would have hated it too. I loved the Neimela and Hirvonen picks!!

Should be toronto, edmonton and buffalo because youre premise was that the number 1 OA plays great and leads his team to a cup. So it shouldnt matter who picked them but where they are now.

Ya, I love that 5’10, 5’11 is small but 6’0 is good size..lol.[/quote]

It is funny, isn’t it lol.

It is funny, isn’t it lol.[/quote]

On skates too my man!! Lol.

Yes, but now looking at it again, I even noticed St.Loius in there..lol. It’s just changed my theory!! Lol. The Isles are up next!! Lol.

I know Neimela was drafted this year. Several AGMs have had him on the bottom pairing for 2021/22. But that ain’t happening. At most one of those 4 D prospects is going to have a significant impact on the roster going forward. They are all the same type of Ds. There is no room for them, and never will be on a playoff team, and the team is dreadful at developing Ds anyway.

At least they are good at developing forwards, but Amirov either hits or he has zero value at all. Regardless, I think it was a completely absurd, but unsurprising, pick.

I’ll agree if Amirov misses, yes, it seems like a complete dud!! Very low floor.

right? we should've picked a glorified bottom pair penalty killer dman with questionable skating ability

if the leafs are so bad at developing D, you'd understand guhle or schneider wouldn't join the team for years. In which case you'd be on here complaining the dubas should have picked a more NHL ready player

the draft is where you acquire high end talent and you either use it years down the road or trade it

Amirov is a bold pick but I'd rather him than a run of the mill bottom pair right shot D who won't even leave junior for another 3 years

People whose arguments are so completely nonexistent (and dishonest) that they think size is measured solely by height, and not also weight and playing style.

Ahh, playing style, too? Okay so size doesn't really mean size at all. Got it.

this just in, GM who acquired joe thornton, jason spezza, zach bogosian, jake muzzin, jimmy vesey, zach hyman, and wayne simmonds does not like big players or grit and toughness

"BUT SPEZZA'S NOT TOUGH WHAT" - he had more fights and hits for us than kyle clifford in the playoffs

I hope so

Again with the Guinness book of world records level stupid arguments. Schneider is a bottom pairing, poor skating, PK thug, even though he was only slightly less productive in his draft year than Sandin was despite being on a far less offensive team. And 19-year-old Schneider is years and years away from the NHL despite Sandin playing 28 games in the NHL at 19 years old and his problem being a lack of size. Loads of top-20 draft pick Ds play in the NHL in their D+1 - and Schneider was from a much, much stronger draft than Sandin and is probably a better skater. But the Dubas cult is gonna Dubas cult.

Great offseason though man!! Like I said, they seemed to address every area of need/weakness. The NHL level depth last year was bad. With Boyd, Brooks and Marincin. Now it’s a strong suit of the team. Same with Leadership bringing on Thornton and Simmons. It’s a different locker room with those guys in there.

Just like I think about Kappy. He’s now going into a locker room full of adults and Sid and Geno. Not a locker room full of kids and guys his own age. Peers!! Thornton and Simmons and Bogs are gonna have a big impact. Same with Brodie.