If this trade happened how would Laine's streaky 30 goal effort improve the team goal production if Matthews 47 goals were removed? I wouldn't even trade Nylander for Laine. Guy has a wicked shot but his ego is the difference between being talented and being a great talent.

Matthews would leave after 4 years... think bout that

Helle could also leave in 4 years. Matthews has proven to be a top 5 C from his play since he has entered the league. Helle was unreal but that play is likely not sustainable as goalies are usually inconsistent unless if you are prime Lundqvist or prime Carey Price. Even then 1C at 23> great starting goalie at 27.

Oh I kind of agree. I think Liane is about as valuable as Nylander. Don't forget, however, as an 18 year old rookie he put up 40 goals. And are you forgetting Hellebuck, the best goalie in the nhl? The 2 of them together equal Matthews in my opinion. Then Pionk for Anderson and Holl so the jets have a goalie and the leafs have cap space. The deal makes sense in my opinion

I'm confused. Do you think this deal is fair for the jets? At first I thought no, but now I don't know.

I'll be kinder than the others and say McDavid is the only player that would move Matthews out of TOR.

I would edit this trade to Laine for Nylander but with either salary retention or draft picks from WPG to compensate for the term we'd be giving up.

id say that at the start but the past few years it hasnt been close, going into the nhl that was laines advantage but now matthews is a better scorer which makes him better at everything than laine, and yes helle won the vezina but before this year its been very close maybe even advantage freddy, both are solid goalies but not big enough to trade matthews and pionk would be the 4th d on our team but hes also had 1 good year and leafs dont need that type of d

Helle is way less likely to leave.. even if he would want to the market for goalies is very risky.. can get more here (thank you Bobrovsky).. tbh IMO Toronto has the only chance of keeping him from going to Arizona + Helle has bout half the cap hit and it isn’t that much of an organizational need anymore with Scheif, Perfetti as our top 6 for the next 10 years

I agree. This got me thinking. Does anyone have any examples of top 5 goalies that got paid big contracts and they've delivered for the duration of the contract? Most I can think of played real good, signed huge bank and term and then were cap problems for their team in their declining years. It's hard to argue that even top talent goalies would hold comparable trade value to position players.

he would take it as a jets fan

Err.. no Laine is 7th in the NHL is goals scored every since he entered the league at 18... underrated playmaker and greatly improved 2 way game.. he and Nylander rnt even in the same tier..
only his attitude is ****

tbh the matthews to az narrative is ridiculous, no subtance what so ever besides its home

Lol ok.. if Arizona keep doing stupid very good chance he stays but if they start to become promising think.. let’s say Tavares 2.0

Those are all fair point. But if Liane has scored 40 in his rookie season, I can't see why he wouldn't do it beside Tavares and Marner. Last year Hellebuyuk was at least a top 3 goalie, you could ague he was the best then too. I agree the leafs don't need Pionk. But if you can get him, why not? The leafs would have the cap space for him after this.

Jason Blake scored 40 once too. So he's just as good as Matthews I take it? There's too much risk with consistency out of goalies, that's why they almost never get traded and never for a top 5 center in the league.

I agree. Some people are really, really short sighted in these deals. This would be terrible for Winnipeg.

Matthews will walk in 4 years guaranteed. He's structured his contract so that he can go home because he doesn't want to re-sign in Toronto, so there is no chance he re-signs in Winnipeg. Whereas with Helle there is a very good chance he re-signs in Winnipeg.

So, the upshot of this trade is Winnipeg gets an inferior goalie for a year and then he walks, a press box defenseman and an overpaid Matthews for 4 years. While giving up the 7th best goal scorer in hockey history for his age, a very good offensive defenseman and the best goalie in the NHL.

A very clear loss by Winnipeg.

The Coyotes are garbage, and they make the least money out of the whole nhl. I'm willing to bet the are gone before Matthews has the chance to sign with them.

i know you and everyone around the league would like that but not gonna happen, worst organization in the NHL, have 9 fans, they suck, have no first round pick this year or also last year, besides being home theres nothing, ZERO

Improved, maybe. Still trash two way game? Yes. Face it, the only reason Liane is good is because of his point scoring (he's actually a decent passer). Nylander plays a much more well rounded game. Ok, maybe he's at Marner's level.

hes gonna go home to the laughing stock of the league , a crappy hockey team, no picks and play inf ront of 9 fans LMAO

It's not a strait up deal. I never once said at any point Matthews wasn't the best player in this deal by a country mile.

So we agree this trade isn't fair? finally!

Nope. This deal is fair, because dispite Liane being not even close to as good as Matthews, Hellebuyuk and Pionk make up for it.

LOL It's a fair deal. Not a very clear loss for Winnipeg. Matthews is a top 5 player in the nhl. There is no guarentee in 4 years you will have Hellebuyuk, Pionk or Liane on your team.

No, it's not close to a fair deal. Matthews is not a top 5 player in the league, that is outright silly homerism.

Matthews is good but he's not $4.884 mil better than Laine and the difference between them with contracts taken into account isn't Pionk and Hellebuyck.

This trade absolutely makes the Jets a worse team next year and going forward after that until Matthews leaves.