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Créé par: AWhiteOreo

Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 26 sept. 2020

Publié: 26 sept. 2020

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Islanders can't afford Pulock/Toews/Barzal and likely won't move enough cap to get all 3 locked up. Lou definitely values Pulock the most and won't move him and probably won't want to give Barzal more money than Lee who is captain.
Toews could be moved since there's already a few NHL level d-men and Andy Greene might get an extension at the minimum. Danault is a quality 2C and would fit with the Islanders style so the move does make some sense.
Buffalo has a clear hole at the 2C and Domi could return to 60 point form next to Skinner. Domi is still only 25 so his best years could still easilly be ahead of him. The Hickey trade to Detroit just addresses Detroit's severe lack of d-men with a capable enough player who isn't taking up too much cap space. Regardless, Detroit get's a free late round pick for taking on a contract which won't effect them and may prove to be valuable if Hickey rebounds.
No other big changes/FA signings made as the Habs have a solid prospect system and some younger players ready to step up (Suzuki, Romanov, KK)

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Barzal, Mathew	5	8 000 000 $
Juulsen, Noah	2	850 000 $
Mete, Victor	1	1 250 000 $

Transactions

MTL

Barzal, Mathew [Droits de RFA]
Bellows, Kieffer
Hickey, Thomas
Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (NYI)

NYI

Danault, Phillip (1 500 000 $ retained)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (MTL)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (MTL)

MTL

Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (BUF)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2021 (BUF)

BUF

Domi, Max [Droits de RFA]

MTL

Choix de 6e ronde en 2021 (DET)

Détails additionnels:

Conditional 6th if Hickey plays at least 41 games with Detroit

DET

Hickey, Thomas
Choix de 5e ronde en 2020 (FLA)

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Phillip Danault: 1 500 000 $ (48.65%)

Enfoui

Karl Alzner: 3 550 000 $ (4 625 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2020
2021
2022

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	76 008 809 $	0 $	4 200 000 $	5 491 191 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Drouin, Jonathan 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Barzal, Mathew 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ C, AD UFA - 3	Armia, Joel 2 600 000 $2 600 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Tatar, Tomas 4 800 000 $4 800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick 863 333 $863 333 $ (425 000 $$425K) C UFA - 2	Gallagher, Brendan 3 750 000 $3 750 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 1
Lehkonen, Artturi 2 400 000 $2 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) C UFA - 1	Byron, Paul 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3
Bellows, Kieffer 894 166 $894 166 $ (212 500 $$212K) AG, AD UFA - 1	Weal, Jordan 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ C, AD, AG UFA - 1	Evans, Jake 750 000 $750 000 $ C UFA - 2
	Poehling, Ryan 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) C, AG UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Chiarot, Ben 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Weber, Shea 7 857 143 $7 857 143 $ DD UFA - 6	Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 6
Romanov, Alexander 894 167 $894 167 $ (212 500 $$212K) DG RFA - 2	Petry, Jeff 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1	Allen, Jake 4 350 000 $4 350 000 $ G UFA - 1
Edmundson, Joel 875 000 $875 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 4	Mete, Victor 1 250 000 $1 250 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
Kulak, Brett 925 000 $925 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Juulsen, Noah 850 000 $850 000 $ DD UFA - 1

26 sept. 2020 à 10 h 46

MichaelSimonetta_97

Banni

Rejoint: mars 2020

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Islanders hang up on that deal for Barzal not enough for him to be let go of the islanders

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26 sept. 2020 à 10 h 49

Anza

Rejoint: sept. 2020

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Barzal isn't that cheap.

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26 sept. 2020 à 10 h 55

DiehardRedWingsFan58

Banni

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What a joke, That doesn't get you Barzal let alone adding the other pieces.

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26 sept. 2020 à 10 h 58

AWhiteOreo

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Quoting: MichaelSimonetta_97

Islanders hang up on that deal for Barzal not enough for him to be let go of the islanders

Quoting: Anza

Barzal isn't that cheap.

Kiefer Bellows isn't great and probably won't cap off as much more than a bottom 6 power forward. Hickey is a straight cap dump and Lou would much rather have the tangible asset of Danault rather than some draft picks via offer sheet. The 16th overall in this draft could be comparable to a top 10 in most other drafts due to the depth and Danault himself is a solid 2C who is elite defenisvely with 50+ point upside. I don't think it's ridiculous ask. Barzal is probably a 1C, but he's definitely on the low end of that considering his drop in production since Tavares left. He's still young so he can defintiely get better, but I don't see him being much more valuable than say Duchene who was traded for a first, a B+ (at best) prospect, a 2C, a cap dump, and a third.

26 sept. 2020 à 11 h 2

BigBadBurke

PittsburghModelMyAss

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Whhhaaaat? Domi is worth a 2nd and 4th in your mind? This needs an explanation lol I'm trying to understand

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26 sept. 2020 à 11 h 8

GMs

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Try to acquire Barzal cheap and trade Domi for nothing lmao wtf

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26 sept. 2020 à 11 h 9

AWhiteOreo

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Quoting: TheGHANDI90

Whhhaaaat? Domi is worth a 2nd and 4th in your mind? This needs an explanation lol I'm trying to understand

A second that is early 30s is practically a first. I imagine Domi is mostly on the outs with the Habs and not many teams are gonna meet his demands with the flat cap. Buffalo is defintiely getting a deal with this trade. Might be 2 2nds rather than a 2nd and 4th but I'm honestly not too sure how to value Domi right now. I do think he gets traded though

26 sept. 2020 à 11 h 10

MisstheWhalers

Rejoint: janv. 2019

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That return doesn't get you Barzal alone nevermind adding Bellows and a pick.

Could easily get more for Domi then that.

26 sept. 2020 à 11 h 20

BigBadBurke

PittsburghModelMyAss

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Quoting: AWhiteOreo

Agreed it will be hard for teams to meet Domi's demands, that is why I see him sticking with Montreal for another year on a 1 year "show me" contract, and then gets traded at the deadline next season... and although I find it equally as hard to value Domi rn, he is assuredly going to fetch a 1st rounder minimum if that is what Kapanen got and then some.

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26 sept. 2020 à 11 h 43

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AWhiteOreo

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Quoting: TheGHANDI90

The thing with Kapanen is most people agree it was a clear overpayment, but his contract is pretty good and he'd be a year younger than Domi, if that makes a difference. Based on the fact Domi hired Ferris and fired his previous agent who was buddies with Bergevine, I think his time in Montreal is up or he's gonna be asking way too much with term from them. That's just my opinion, I could be totally off but that's how I've interpreted it

26 sept. 2020 à 11 h 56

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OrganizedConfusion55

Rejoint: juin 2017

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Quoting: AWhiteOreo

not an islander or a hab fan, that offer isnt close for barzel. Youre in the wrong ballpark.

26 sept. 2020 à 12 h 4

#12

AWhiteOreo

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Quoting: OrganizedConfusion55

not an islander or a hab fan, that offer isnt close for barzel. Youre in the wrong ballpark.

He's a great playmaker, good skating, great vision, smooth hands. He's not an elite defender by any means and hasn't shown he is actually a legit, true #1C. He's only 22 so you're paying for upside but if the Islanders can't sign him, Lou will want to replace him with someone who will fit in with the team (Danault). I'm curious how much more you think the Habs would have to pay for him while taking on a cap dump

26 sept. 2020 à 12 h 13

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BStinson

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Both Barzal & Domi cost more. Detroit isn’t taking Hickey for a late round pick upgrade. The problem with Detroit’s defense is they have enough bottom pairing/press box guys but lack quality top 4 guys outside Hronek.

26 sept. 2020 à 12 h 39

#14

Isles777

Isles7

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Quoting: AWhiteOreo

Barzal is the best transition player in the NHL, top 3 in offensive zone time, #1 for zone entries and in the 99th percentile for assists/60. He leads or is in top 5 in enough categories where he is definitely a #1 caliber center. Just because he’s not elite defensively doesn’t mean he’s not a 1C. Mark Scheifele is one of the worst defensive centers in the league and he’s an elite 1C.

Barzal is priority #1, they won’t have problem signing him.

26 sept. 2020 à 12 h 41

#15

AWhiteOreo

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Quoting: BStinson

If Hickey doesn't play half the season, Detroit gets a 5th this year for taking $2.5M in meaningless cap space that they can easilly afford. If he does play, I think upgrading a future pick is worth it. Hickey is also due a $1.25M bonus this year, so if Montreal waits until FA to make the move, it could make sense. To be fair, there was many reasons why Hickey didn't play this reason than just poor play. He's probably a bottom pair guy but dealt with injuries, Toews/Dobson getting spots, and the death of his brother. I think it's a low risk trade for detroit and at best they could flip him the year after for a 4th or 3rd. At worst, he does nothing and gets buried.

26 sept. 2020 à 14 h 19

#16

BStinson

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Quoting: AWhiteOreo

Hickey is 2.5x2 years for a bottom pairing quality player at best in which we already have Nemeth for and then Cholowski on call up. We’d also have Biega in press box. The addition is pointless to upgrade a late round pick one round as it holds very little value. If Detroit is going to go after cap dumps then it would be for more premier picks or prospects. We’ve already seen cap dumps this offseason with max retention and dump for dump to establish a baseline.

26 sept. 2020 à 15 h 27

#17

Buffsbrain

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Is this trying to use Barzal to cap dump Hickey? I' m just kinda confused

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